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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #405 on: April 19, 2022, 11:07:01 am »
U.S. cop executes man during traffic stop

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Lawyers for the family of Patrick Lyoya, a Black man killed by police in western Michigan, have released results from an independent autopsy.

Video from a bystander showed that Lyoya, who was not armed, was on the ground when he was shot in the head during a struggle with a white Grand Rapids officer on 4 April.
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On Tuesday the civil rights attorney Ben Crump, representing Lyoya’s family, announced: “Today, based on scientific evidence, we can confirm that Patrick Lyoya was shot in the back of the head … [in] what his family believes was an execution.”


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« Reply #406 on: May 30, 2022, 11:38:23 am »
https://prospect.org/justice/why-uvalde-cops-were-too-cowardly-to-charge-a-mass-shooter/

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After the Columbine shooting, where police waited outside for hours while a teacher bled to death, police are supposed to dash into the scene as fast as possible. They just didn’t do it. The reason is the powerful fear instilled by other parts of police training, as well as the overall police culture.
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Grossman is something of an outlier, but as Isaac Scher writes at Insider, the basic outlines of his message are common throughout police trainings across the country, which have no national standards and are heavily based on junk science. By and large, cops are taught to be in quaking terror at all times, to view the local citizenry as infested with violent criminals, and to prioritize their own safety above all else. The overwhelming focus is on threats to the police themselves, not the public. There is virtually no time spent on diplomacy, de-escalation, or remaining calm under fire.

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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #407 on: May 30, 2022, 02:00:26 pm »
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #409 on: May 30, 2022, 07:52:55 pm »
Kansas City Police Shot An Unarmed Black Woman 5 Times. The Woman Had Her Hands Up.

Pulled over for suspected stolen vehicle.  Male passenger ran and jumped the fence.  Woman had hands up, was unarmed, she said a gun was in the vehicle, cops told her to get on ground, she said she was pregnant and couldn't, then took some steps towards the fence, so cops drew their weapons, she began to run, the cops shot her 5 times then cuffed her.  She survived.

She did not comply with lawful orders and attempted to run, but could argue it was excessive force, they could have possibly tackled her, or tried to taser her.  We'd have to see the video.
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #410 on: May 30, 2022, 10:20:22 pm »
I don’t think a traffic violation should be an executable offence.

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« Reply #411 on: May 30, 2022, 11:01:19 pm »
I don’t think a traffic violation should be an executable offence.

Lyoya wasn't shot because of a traffic violation, it was that he got out of his car during the stop, would not comply with anything the cop said, then resisted arrested for quite a long time and fought with the cop and kept grabbing the cop's taser.  Eventually the victim got a hold of the taser then the cop grabbed his hand and made him drop it during the struggle and I think the victim picked it up again as you can hear the cop yelling to him "drop the taser!" right before the cop shot him.  Black dog conveniently left out all of this information in order to push his victim narrative.

On top of that, the plates didn't match the vehicle, meaning likely a stolen vehicle, he was driving with a suspended license because he's been caught driving intoxicated multiple times, he was legally intoxicated at the time of the stop, and there were 3 warrants out for his arrest LOL:

"At the time that Schurr pulled him over for having an improper vehicle registration – its license plates were registered to a different vehicle – Lyoya was on probation and his license had been revoked for a third time, most recently since March 20, 2022, following his third substance abuse conviction in 10 years. He also had three active warrants for his arrest: the first for a traffic accident on Christmas Day 2021 where Lyoya allegedly fled the scene; a second for failure to appear at a court hearing; and a third for domestic violence issued just three days before, after the mother of one of Lyoya's children accused him of punching her and smashing her face into a car in a dispute over bedsheets.[2][24][28] It was later determined that Lyoya had a blood alcohol content of 0.29, more than triple the legal limit of 0.08."

Video of incident:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/grand-rapids-police-shoot-black-man-lyoya-1.6419147

There's lots of times cops abuse their power, but a lot of these examples were brought on by the civilian.  If I ran from a cop or fought with a cop or grabbed their weapon I would assume I could be shot at any time.

Given this man's continuous criminal history he probably should have been deported at some point.
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #412 on: May 31, 2022, 10:03:37 am »
Lyoya wasn't shot because of a traffic violation, it was that he got out of his car during the stop, would not comply with anything the cop said, then resisted arrested for quite a long time and fought with the cop and kept grabbing the cop's taser.  Eventually the victim got a hold of the taser then the cop grabbed his hand and made him drop it during the struggle and I think the victim picked it up again as you can hear the cop yelling to him "drop the taser!" right before the cop shot him.  Black dog conveniently left out all of this information in order to push his victim narrative.

It was in the link I posted.

Anyway, you're missing the point, which is there was literally no reason for the cop to escalate the situation to the point of physical confrontation.

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There's lots of times cops abuse their power, but a lot of these examples were brought on by the civilian.  If I ran from a cop or fought with a cop or grabbed their weapon I would assume I could be shot at any time.




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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #413 on: May 31, 2022, 12:22:48 pm »
It was in the link I posted.

Anyway, you're missing the point, which is there was literally no reason for the cop to escalate the situation to the point of physical confrontation.]

The guy wasn't listening to his lawful orders.  If you're not cooperating and the cop tries to detain you it's not in your right to resist then flee and then fight a cop and grab his weapon.

If you get pulled over your supposed to sit in your car, roll down your window, place your hands on the wheel, and don't reach for anything, and if you have to reach for your wallet or anything tell the cops exactly what you're going to do.  You won't get shot doing this.  Tons of people are driving with a gun in their car in the US, cops are on edge.

They're are scared for their lives.  Put yourself in the cops shoes.
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #414 on: May 31, 2022, 01:45:44 pm »
The guy wasn't listening to his lawful orders.  If you're not cooperating and the cop tries to detain you it's not in your right to resist then flee and then fight a cop and grab his weapon.

The guy didn't run until the cop put hands on him. Watch the video: the cop instigated the physical confrontation. There was no danger of the guy grabbing the cop's weapon until the cop produced it. Hell, the guy couldn't even run 10 feet without tripping over his own pants.

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If you get pulled over your supposed to sit in your car, roll down your window, place your hands on the wheel, and don't reach for anything, and if you have to reach for your wallet or anything tell the cops exactly what you're going to do.  You won't get shot doing this.  Tons of people are driving with a gun in their car in the US, cops are on edge.

They're are scared for their lives.  Put yourself in the cops shoes.

Yeah I'm aware many of these deadly encounters happen because cops are cowardly pissbabies who are taught to be constantly afraid of the public they're serving even though you have a better chance of getting shot if you're a toddler than a cop in that country. That's precisely part of the problem.
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #415 on: May 31, 2022, 02:18:48 pm »
The guy didn't run until the cop put hands on him. Watch the video: the cop instigated the physical confrontation. There was no danger of the guy grabbing the cop's weapon until the cop produced it. Hell, the guy couldn't even run 10 feet without tripping over his own pants.

That's not going to fly in court.  If you think a detainment or arrest is unlawful or a cop is infringing your rights while doing so you fight it in court after. You don't resist and fight the cop and grab his weapon. Unless you're cool with getting your ass kicked or getting tased or shot.

The guy was totally non-compliant so the cop went to put him in cuffs to detain him.  I don't like cops and will call them out when abuse happens, I just don't see it here.
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #416 on: May 31, 2022, 02:51:07 pm »
That's not going to fly in court.  If you think a detainment or arrest is unlawful or a cop is infringing your rights while doing so you fight it in court after. You don't resist and fight the cop and grab his weapon. Unless you're cool with getting your ass kicked or getting tased or shot.

The guy was totally non-compliant so the cop went to put him in cuffs to detain him.  I don't like cops and will call them out when abuse happens, I just don't see it here.

Who gives a s**t if the guy is "non-compliant"? That's no reason to escalate a situation into a physical confrontation if no one is in any immediate danger. But that's what cops do all the time: take mundane interactions and ramp them up into confrontations.

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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #417 on: June 02, 2022, 01:12:06 pm »
Why are cops so bad at their jobs?

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Since the 2020 Black Lives Matter demonstrations called for police budgets to be defunded, not a single major American city has slashed its police funding. In fact, almost all of them have ballooned spending on police forces. Repeatedly, President Biden has encouraged increased spending on police, recently calling on municipalities to direct their unspent COVID aid toward adding even more cops. The Biden administration requested $388 million in grant funding for police hiring in its 2022 budget proposal, more than double the top figure requested by the Trump administration. New York City even elected a former cop as its mayor, who just a few days ago announced a new PR campaign in support of cops and against the “defund the police” movement.

None of those moves have grappled with the historical ineffectiveness of current-day policing, or why police forces have been unable to convert generous budgets into effective crime-solving activities.
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It’s clear that those record police budgets aren’t keeping crime from happening, or else the alleged record crime wave that has been covered breathlessly by local and national media would not be happening. There is evidence that more resources specifically for investigative work can improve clearance rates, but that’s far different from what today’s police budgets prioritize—mostly presence on the streets.

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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #418 on: June 02, 2022, 03:07:59 pm »
Who gives a s**t if the guy is "non-compliant"? That's no reason to escalate a situation into a physical confrontation if no one is in any immediate danger. But that's what cops do all the time: take mundane interactions and ramp them up into confrontations.

Yeah this was the cops fault lol.  Maybe if he kept asking nicely or wrote him a polite letter the guy driving a stolen car without a valid license while drunk with 3 warrants out for his arrest including domestic violence would have responded lol.  Clearly they didn't give him enough leeway lol.

Hot tip:  Next time anybody with a gun comes up to you and tells you to do something, do it.  Also, avoid fighting them and grabbing a weapon of theirs.
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #419 on: June 02, 2022, 04:54:21 pm »
Yeah this was the cops fault lol.  Maybe if he kept asking nicely or wrote him a polite letter the guy driving a stolen car without a valid license while drunk with 3 warrants out for his arrest including domestic violence would have responded lol.  Clearly they didn't give him enough leeway lol.

You miss the point like it's your job.

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Hot tip:  Next time anybody with a gun comes up to you and tells you to do something, do it.  Also, avoid fighting them and grabbing a weapon of theirs.

See the problem here is I'm approaching this from a normative perspective and you're not.