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« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2021, 12:37:40 pm »
No it doesn't.

It's worthwhile to look at the history of policing to see why it is the way it is and what purpose it serves.

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A paramilitary organization is a semi-militarized force whose organizational structure, tactics, training, subculture, and (often) function are similar to those of a professional military, but is not formally part of a country's armed forces.

This describes a police force. It most certainly describes a tactical police force (ERT)
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« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2021, 01:07:48 pm »
This describes a police force. It most certainly describes a tactical police force (ERT)

No it describes a police force as traditionally constructed. A paramilitary structure with armament to match is not a prerequisite of policing.

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« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2021, 01:58:22 pm »
No it describes a police force as traditionally constructed. A paramilitary structure with armament to match is not a prerequisite of policing.

It is unless you are going to call in an army special forces team any time you need ERT.
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« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2021, 02:23:42 pm »
It is unless you are going to call in an army special forces team any time you need ERT.

Which is almost never. Oh sure, these teams get used a lot, but they're very seldom actually needed. But if you give cops a hammer, they tend to treat everything like a nail and that's been the case with the militarization of police.


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« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2021, 02:35:05 pm »
Which is almost never. Oh sure, these teams get used a lot, but they're very seldom actually needed. But if you give cops a hammer, they tend to treat everything like a nail and that's been the case with the militarization of police.

Because no one got hurt you say they weren't needed.
The threat of overwhelming force is a great deterrent. Weakness gets people killed.

In New Brunswick three RCMP officers were killed and two more wounded by a single gunman for the simple reason he was better armed.
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« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2021, 03:58:10 pm »
Because no one got hurt you say they weren't needed.
The threat of overwhelming force is a great deterrent. Weakness gets people killed.

By this logic, we should give cops helicopter gunships and stealth bombers because you just never know. Here in Canada studies have shown that reactive calls such as hostage situations and barricaded subjects comprised approximately 25% of tactical unit deployments. The rest is serving warrants and duties that could be handled by regular cops. But these units are hella expensive and need to be used to justify their existence.

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In New Brunswick three RCMP officers were killed and two more wounded by a single gunman for the simple reason he was better armed.

Well that and there were multiple warning signs that this guy wasn't right in the head that were either ignored on not transmitted to the authorities.
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« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2021, 06:00:25 pm »
By this logic, we should give cops helicopter gunships and stealth bombers because you just never know. Here in Canada studies have shown that reactive calls such as hostage situations and barricaded subjects comprised approximately 25% of tactical unit deployments. The rest is serving warrants and duties that could be handled by regular cops. But these units are hella expensive and need to be used to justify their existence.



Now you are getting really stupid

What do you think those warrants are for? Many are for known gang members and other nasty people, they aren't being served for shop lifting.

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Well that and there were multiple warning signs that this guy wasn't right in the head that were either ignored on not transmitted to the authorities.

And that was somehow the fault of the police?
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« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2021, 07:30:08 pm »
What about check stops?

I mean you could have a designated "traffic enforcement agency" that does what the cops do to enforce traffic laws, only without the "pulling people over for broken taillights to justify vehicle searches" part.

That might be fair idea.  On the other hand, a broken tail light will not allow a cop to search your vehicle.  The only legal way a cop can search your car is if he has reasonable suspicion to think there's something illegal inside your car (doesn't apply to broken tail light) or you give them consent to search.  Usually what happens is a suspicious cop will say "do you mind if I search your trunk/car?" and the intimidated people who don't know their rights will say "sure" and thus give consent.

Having a guy pull you over who doesn't have a gun would probably make things safer.
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« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2021, 07:37:10 pm »
That might be fair idea.  On the other hand, a broken tail light will not allow a cop to search your vehicle.  The only legal way a cop can search your car is if he has reasonable suspicion to think there's something illegal inside your car (doesn't apply to broken tail light) or you give them consent to search.  Usually what happens is a suspicious cop will say "do you mind if I search your trunk/car?" and the intimidated people who don't know their rights will say "sure" and thus give consent.

Having a guy pull you over who doesn't have a gun would probably make things safer.

They can “smell marijuana”.... 

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« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2021, 08:55:56 pm »
Now you are getting really stupid

What do you think those warrants are for? Many are for known gang members and other nasty people, they aren't being served for shop lifting.

Prove it copsucker.

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And that was somehow the fault of the police?

I'd explain it but there's simply no way it would penetrate your brain because it's so addled by pro cop propaganda and personal bias.
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« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2021, 08:57:22 pm »
That might be fair idea.  On the other hand, a broken tail light will not allow a cop to search your vehicle.  The only legal way a cop can search your car is if he has reasonable suspicion to think there's something illegal inside your car (doesn't apply to broken tail light) or you give them consent to search.  Usually what happens is a suspicious cop will say "do you mind if I search your trunk/car?" and the intimidated people who don't know their rights will say "sure" and thus give consent.

Having a guy pull you over who doesn't have a gun would probably make things safer.

Yeah cops can and do cook up all kinds of b.s probable causes after the fact.

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« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2021, 08:58:42 pm »
They can “smell marijuana”....

Or they just "look like a person of interest" (read: black). See: Philando Castile.

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« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2021, 09:13:23 pm »
Prove it copsucker.

I'd explain it but there's simply no way it would penetrate your brain because it's so addled by pro cop propaganda and personal bias.
Go **** yourself you ignorant git.
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« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2021, 09:14:28 pm »
They can “smell marijuana”....

Anyone can smell marijuana, it smells like you just walked into a patch of skunk cabbage.
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« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2021, 09:54:51 pm »
Yeah cops can and do cook up all kinds of b.s probable causes after the fact.

The cop has to give you the reason right then and there, or provide a search warrant.  This is why people who stopped by cops should always have their smartphone recording it.

If a cop is making up lies you can request their supervisor to come on site.
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