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« Reply #585 on: January 27, 2023, 09:37:34 pm »
I watched full footage of several sources/angles on this.  Several large black male cops not strong enough to cuff thin black man so they beat him to death, including kicking him in the head twice while he's on the ground.  Guy ran from them before the main beatdown, but not sure if I blame him or not.

Good cops never arrest bad cops while they are doing illegal things (except for the rare cop vs cop turf war, which is a power play), they always wait weeks for the DA to announce charges.  So where are all these mythical "good cops"?  Cops just cover for each other.
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« Reply #586 on: January 30, 2023, 10:25:13 am »
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All five of the former Memphis police officers charged with murder in the beating of Tyre Nichols were members of a recently created unit that was tasked with tackling rising crime in the city.

When it was launched in 2021, the SCORPION unit – Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace in Our Neighborhoods – was heralded as a direct response to some of the city’s worst crime, with a focus on homicides, robberies, assaults and other felonies.

Mayor Jim Strickland championed the unit, mentioning it during an address to the city in January 2022 and proudly pointing to 566 arrests – 390 of which were for felonies – and more than $103,000 in cash seized.

Yet Strickland reversed his praise on Friday in the wake of Nichols’ death, saying the SCORPION unit was made inactive pending an independent review. And on Saturday – less than a day after video of SCORPION members beating Nichols was released to the public – the Memphis Police Department announced they will “permanently deactivate” the unit.

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« Reply #587 on: January 30, 2023, 01:05:09 pm »
One thing that always bothers me about policing in general is how militaristic it is, and how so many jurisdictions have their officers looking like special forces wherever they go.

The British model, in my mind, is much, much better.  Put them in silly hats, yellow checkered vests and make sure they understand they are public servants above anything else, rather than bad-ass enforcers.  Too many cops (especially in bigger cities) are meat-head idiots looking for trouble. 
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« Reply #588 on: February 01, 2023, 10:17:01 am »
One thing that always bothers me about policing in general is how militaristic it is, and how so many jurisdictions have their officers looking like special forces wherever they go.

The British model, in my mind, is much, much better.  Put them in silly hats, yellow checkered vests and make sure they understand they are public servants above anything else, rather than bad-ass enforcers.  Too many cops (especially in bigger cities) are meat-head idiots looking for trouble.


Because police (in the U.S. but the attitude is everywhere) are taught to view themselves more like an occupying force than part of the community they serve.
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« Reply #589 on: February 01, 2023, 10:32:43 am »
I think that really depends on the community.  Where I live, the cops are chill, they engage with the community, people trust them and there's little to no trouble.  I do, however, live in one of the safest cities in Canada, and we don't have many problems with drugs or violent crime. 

Naive young me was shocked with how differently the cops act and treat people in the GTA (especially in Peel region). 

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« Reply #590 on: February 01, 2023, 10:56:29 am »
I think that really depends on the community.  Where I live, the cops are chill, they engage with the community, people trust them and there's little to no trouble.  I do, however, live in one of the safest cities in Canada, and we don't have many problems with drugs or violent crime. 

Naive young me was shocked with how differently the cops act and treat people in the GTA (especially in Peel region).

Yeah I should have been more specific. There are certain communities cops don't see themselves as a part of. Hell one of the big problems with policing in US cities is the number of cops who don't actually live in the places they work; in New York for example, 51% of uniformed NYPD officers live outside the city. I have a feeling you'd see a similar figure in a place like Toronto.
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« Reply #591 on: February 01, 2023, 02:51:59 pm »
Yeah I should have been more specific. There are certain communities cops don't see themselves as a part of. Hell one of the big problems with policing in US cities is the number of cops who don't actually live in the places they work; in New York for example, 51% of uniformed NYPD officers live outside the city. I have a feeling you'd see a similar figure in a place like Toronto.

I think you would find a lot of Vancouver police don't live in the city, simply because they can't afford it with an average home price of 1.3 million. No doubt New York is for the same reasons.
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« Reply #592 on: February 01, 2023, 03:00:31 pm »
I think you would find a lot of Vancouver police don't live in the city, simply because they can't afford it with an average home price of 1.3 million. No doubt New York is for the same reasons.

Here's the VPD payscale:
Probationary Constable – $77,983
4th Class Constable (after one year) – $83,793
3rd Class Constable (after two years) – $89,376
2nd Class Constable (after three years) – $100,542
1st Class Constable (after four years) – $111,709

For comparison, the median household income in Vancouver is $72,585. Not sure it's an income issue.
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« Reply #593 on: February 01, 2023, 03:28:31 pm »
Here's the VPD payscale:
Probationary Constable – $77,983
4th Class Constable (after one year) – $83,793
3rd Class Constable (after two years) – $89,376
2nd Class Constable (after three years) – $100,542
1st Class Constable (after four years) – $111,709

For comparison, the median household income in Vancouver is $72,585. Not sure it's an income issue.

Assuming they had 300K to put down, a five year fixed rate mortgage and todays rates would have a monthly payment of $5800 Per month. That's $69,000 after tax income going to mortgage payments in one of the highest taxed jursidictions in Canada. So yes, it is definitely an income issue why people who work in Vancouver don't live there if they want to own their own home.
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« Reply #594 on: February 01, 2023, 04:12:00 pm »
Assuming they had 300K to put down, a five year fixed rate mortgage and todays rates would have a monthly payment of $5800 Per month. That's $69,000 after tax income going to mortgage payments in one of the highest taxed jursidictions in Canada. So yes, it is definitely an income issue why people who work in Vancouver don't live there if they want to own their own home.

There's a thing called "renting".

Also, if you can't afford a house in Vancouver proper, good luck finding anything affordable in the region. Maybe Chiliwack.
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« Reply #595 on: February 01, 2023, 04:19:26 pm »
There's a thing called "renting".


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Why should they? Good luck finding police officers at all if you are going to force them to live in high cost jurisdictions.
One of the reasons the new Surrey department was finding it easy to recruit was many officers working elsewhere wanted to work where they actually live.

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« Reply #596 on: February 01, 2023, 04:31:10 pm »
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Why should they? Good luck finding police officers at all if you are going to force them to live in high cost jurisdictions.

The entire lower mainland is a "high cost jurisdiction."

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One of the reasons the new Surrey department was finding it easy to recruit was many officers working elsewhere wanted to work where they actually live.

With the median home price in Surrey being something like $950K, I expect they were offering other incentives.
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« Reply #597 on: February 01, 2023, 04:34:54 pm »
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/vancouver-renters-face-increasingly-tough-market-cmhc-report-finds-1.6247967

Many of the officers transferring to Surrey have lived there for years.
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« Reply #598 on: February 02, 2023, 09:59:59 am »
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/vancouver-renters-face-increasingly-tough-market-cmhc-report-finds-1.6247967

Many of the officers transferring to Surrey have lived there for years.

So it can't be that they are being drawn by the cost of living because they already own places in Surrey.

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« Reply #599 on: February 02, 2023, 12:18:00 pm »
So it can't be that they are being drawn by the cost of living because they already own places in Surrey.

They are drawn by being able to police in their own community and not having to cross the Fraser and deal with Vancouver traffic to get to work every day. All the municipal departments have lost officers to the new Surrey department for the same reason.
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