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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #225 on: April 23, 2021, 03:25:32 pm »
Why?  Please explain.  They removed the Saddam regime in Iraq and it turned into a den of insurgents and terrorists.  There was a power vacuum and these vacuums are typically filled by someone else.  Restorative justice alone won't work, is my point.  It's insane.

Gee I dunno know man because we're not a failed state or one ruled with an iron fist by a dictator?

And anyway your line about "restorative justice alone won't work" is dumb because literally no one is saying restorative justice is the only thing we should do.

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This is a strawman.  My response was based on the proposal of getting rid of the police and having restorative justice with social workers etc replace cops and more funding to help reduce poverty and mental illness.  You need cops of some kind.  People with guns to stop other people with guns.

OK, let's say that's true: who gives a s**t? The point you continue to ignore is that 90% of of what cops today has f**k all to do with "stopping people with guns" and can be offloaded to other services better equipped to do them. it's weird that you have such a dim view of cops and yet have completely internalized their propaganda about the role they play in our society.

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I never said it was a few bad cops, ever.  Yes the problem goes beyond these things.  Body cameras and smartphone cameras have helped a lot, but they don't solve the problem because oversight doesn't work if accountability is weak.

And how do you wave a magic wand and make an institution that has walled itself off from oversight and accountability suddenly better? Because any politician that threatened to fire the cops would soon find themselves out of a job. Or dead.

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So you agree that getting rid of police altogether, having nobody to enforce laws with guns, and only have restorative justice and funding for poverty and mental illness is not enough for any system to prevent crime, and that some people wit guns are necessary as long as they are trained and held accountable?

I don't think anyone has suggested that you wouldn't need anyone to enforce laws against, say, violent offenders. Read my posts in this thread for crying out loud, I go on about that extensively.