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Offline Black Dog

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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #225 on: April 23, 2021, 08:39:59 am »
If you remove the police there would be a power vacuum, and it would be filled with criminals/gangs, and also local militias of private citizens carrying guns, and vigilantes/hitmen, and everyone buying a gun for their own protection.  Either way, yes there's going to be people roaming the streets with guns no matter what, and I'd prefer they at least be someone accountable.  I'd rather Canada not turn into Somalia where the rule of law was non-existent for a long period and society was ruled by competing warlords.

Sorry but this is insane. Like, I'm kind of in awe of just how insane it is.

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If there's no cops why would anyone obey any laws?  Are they just suggestions?  Why would I pay a speeding ticket?  Who's going to make me?  What is the punishment for unpaid speeding tickets?   Unfiled tax returns?  Who would force me to go to court?  People could just buy a gun and steal cars or rob stores for a living, who will stop them?

Your assuming here that all we're doing is removing the police and that's it, which shows you haven't paid any attention to the proposals at all.

Also you didn't answer my question as to why we need a juiced up prick with a gun to enforce traffic laws or civil violations.

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Have we ever tried to make police more accountable?  I just don't see it.

They've poured millions into "bias training", body cameras, civilian review boards. Nothing works because the problem isn't a few bad cops.

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It happened with Chauvin, and he got convicted.  The police chief even testified against him, the thin blue line was broken.

One cop was sacrificed to preserve the system.

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Have we ever REALLY tried to reform the system?  And I agree that maybe reform isn't possible and they have to fire all the cops and rehire and train a new group from scratch with new oversight and training.

That's... exactly what I've been talking about? A new body with a different mandate, training, culture and vastly different responsibilities.

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Also I never said there's just a few bad apples, there's lots of bad apples that get away with a lot of BS and others who say nothing because if they did they'd be harassed by other cops as a narc.  The system doesn't work.  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/what-police-departments-do-whistle-blowers/613687/

Yet you insist that the system is reformable as-is. Seems weird!