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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #600 on: February 02, 2023, 12:36:15 pm »
Yeah I should have been more specific. There are certain communities cops don't see themselves as a part of. Hell one of the big problems with policing in US cities is the number of cops who don't actually live in the places they work; in New York for example, 51% of uniformed NYPD officers live outside the city. I have a feeling you'd see a similar figure in a place like Toronto.

Lots of people who work or go to school in NYC live across the bridge in New Jersey.
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« Reply #601 on: February 02, 2023, 01:14:53 pm »
Lots of people who work or go to school in NYC live across the bridge in New Jersey.

I think there's a difference between a cop and a stockbroker, don't you?
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« Reply #602 on: February 02, 2023, 02:09:21 pm »
I think there's a difference between a cop and a stockbroker, don't you?

What does that have to do with anything? New York has 36,000 officers and 19,000 civilian employees. How many do you think they would have if they forced them to live in New York?

Departments are hemorrhaging officers as it is.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/police-departments-are-losing-officers-and-struggling-to-replace-them-11643288401

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/02/us/police-departments-struggle-recruit-retain-officers/index.html
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« Reply #603 on: February 02, 2023, 02:22:42 pm »
What does that have to do with anything?

The argument is living where you work makes you more connected to and knowledgeable of the community you serve, which isn't really a requirement for a stockbroker.

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New York has 36,000 officers and 19,000 civilian employees. How many do you think they would have if they forced them to live in New York?

Departments are hemorrhaging officers as it is.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/police-departments-are-losing-officers-and-struggling-to-replace-them-11643288401

Article is paywalled, but from what I've read in other places a lot of it is because a bunch either quit because of vaccine mandates or actually died of COVID while others are worried about increased scrutiny, to which I say, good riddance. Or they just got a better job.
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« Reply #604 on: February 02, 2023, 02:24:52 pm »
That's why I added the CNN link. There are lots more articles on the issue if you care to do a search.

When you call for a cop and they don't show up, don't complain if it because there is no one to answer your call.
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« Reply #605 on: February 07, 2023, 02:49:50 pm »
Nine Mounties accused of sexual abuse of Indigenous girls during a case that convicted a judge. Colleague finds incriminating tapes, reports them, another cop burgles them from her house, she sends in a tape he missed. No investigation.

Allegations that B.C. RCMP officers abused Indigenous women ‘swept under the carpet,’ says ex-Mountie

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« Reply #606 on: February 07, 2023, 03:05:42 pm »
Nine Mounties accused of sexual abuse of Indigenous girls during a case that convicted a judge. Colleague finds incriminating tapes, reports them, another cop burgles them from her house, she sends in a tape he missed. No investigation.

Allegations that B.C. RCMP officers abused Indigenous women ‘swept under the carpet,’ says ex-Mountie


Burgler cop was also the cop's ex-husband.

These people are sick monsters.
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« Reply #607 on: April 20, 2023, 04:35:50 pm »
Folks in Atlanta have been protesting "Cop City," a $90 million, 85-acre urban warfare training centre. Back in January, police shot and killed a protester they claimed opened fire on them and wounded a cop, but the victim's family commissioned an autopsy report that showed they were shot while sitting inside a tent with their hands up. Now the official autopsy shows the protester was shot 57 times and that no gunpowder residue was found on their hands.

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« Reply #608 on: April 28, 2023, 04:27:07 pm »
Jesus Christ

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An Edmonton police constable who kicked an Indigenous teenager in the head — leaving him with life-altering injuries — won't face criminal charges even though Alberta's police watchdog says the officer displayed a "shocking lack of judgment and disregard" for the teen's life.

According to an investigative report released by the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team Thursday, the agency had asked the Alberta Crown Prosecution Service to consider laying excessive force charges against the officer, but the Crown declined to prosecute.

The officer, armed with a carbine rifle, acted in a "hasty and violent" manner, ASIRT executive director Michael Ewenson said in the report.

"While the law allows police to use force during an arrest in appropriate circumstances, using a life-altering kick directly to the head of this [person] as a first resort cannot be supported," the report said.


According to the ASIRT report, EPS officers were responding to a 911 call about a fight, and a man armed with a knife.

Four officers who responded surrounded the Dumas family home and told everyone to come outside. Dumas got down on his hands and knees and began to crawl "on his belly" toward the officers, as directed, the ASIRT report said.

Dumas began to reach into his pockets or waistband, the report said. The subject officer told investigators that he repeatedly asked Dumas to show his hands but he didn't comply.

He warned him that if he didn't take his hands of out his pockets, "he would kick him the face," ASIRT said in the report.

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« Reply #609 on: June 12, 2023, 11:13:57 am »
Disantis has taken the "defund the police" mantra to the extreme, promising to cut 50% of FBI and DofJ. 

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1668269802148773899?s=20

So, if I understand correctly, it's an insane, irresponsible policy if it's calling for moving responsibilities from the police to social workers, but perfectly acceptable if it's in response to investigations of obvious crimes committed by Republicans.

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« Reply #611 on: September 10, 2023, 08:58:07 pm »
Seems the people particularly interested in defunding the police are Republicans. But only because the police keep investigating their crimes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/10/republican-hardliners-threaten-shut-down-government-biden/

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« Reply #612 on: December 21, 2023, 02:42:14 pm »
A wild story: a St. Louis cop slammed his SUV into the front of a gay bar. When the owner came out to challenge the cop, he was arrested, while the officers in the SUV were not tested for intoxication ecause other officers at the crash scene did not have reasonable suspicion of impairment, despite CCTV footage showing him running a red light a seconds before he swerved into the bar.

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« Reply #613 on: December 21, 2023, 04:50:04 pm »
I support our boys in blue. Obviously there are a few bad apples, but most people could not perform their job.  It is very stressful, and with the advent of social media, it seems a vocal minority of people are going out of their way to vilify them. However, most interactions in my life with Police have been OK. For the most part, if you respect them, they will respect you.  After all, they are only human.

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« Reply #614 on: December 21, 2023, 04:55:32 pm »
Stress, burnout among police in Canada 'pretty terrifying,' researcher says

Canadian Police Association says there are 'systemic, structural changes' needed in policing

Experts say police officers across Canada are feeling overloaded, stressed and burned out, prompting a renewed push from the Canadian Police Association (CPA) for "systemic, structural changes" it hopes will improve the culture of policing.

To better understand these issues, the CPA participated in a study that surveyed more than 1,000 officers across Canada. The survey says 35 per cent of them went to work when mentally unwell, while 31 per cent did so when physically ill, which is known as presenteeism.

"If you look at the stress and the burnout levels, they're pretty terrifying because we expect these officers to be resilient and ready, and to be able to deliver under very difficult circumstances," said Linda Duxbury, a professor in management and strategy at Carleton University. She conducted the survey as a part of a larger research project.

Some of the biggest stressors identified among constables, sergeants and staff sergeants were related to increased workloads, reduced staffing levels and an "organizational culture that places a high premium" to prioritize work over family, the study says. "Presenteeism actually is hugely damaging to an organization and to an individual," Duxbury said.

"And in fact, what shocked me is how many officers show up to work when they're mentally or physically unwell. They should not be there, but they show up. Why? Because the culture would be very judgy on them if they don't show up."

source; https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/systemic-issues-in-policing-across-canada-1.6464175