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Again: how does giving police more money solve any of these issues?

This seems like a strawman or red herring.  I don't think he's saying BC crime is caused by lack of police funding.  Defunding police budgets also won't solve the issue.

The issue is ideology of certain people in positions of power within the governments in BC (judges, lawmakers etc).  They treat perps as victims, which allows them to break more laws and victimize more people.  Some may be victims of something at some point and have some sad story in their life, but being a victim isn't a license to break the law and victimize others.

The cities of the pacific west coast are filled with do-gooder hippie dope-smokers, and some get into government and their ideas don't often work.  The hippies raise their kids free-range, the kids grow up directionless with no boundaries and get their kicks trashing stuff and getting high, and when the cops catch them the courts give them a hug and put them back on the street.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkKwyjsJGxk

This seems like a strawman or red herring.  I don't think he's saying BC crime is caused by lack of police funding.

No but he hollers pretty hard when you suggest they are getting too much money for what they do.

Why is it that for the past 40 years every other public service has been expected to do more with less but for some reason the chequebook is always open for police?

Defunding police budgets also won't solve the issue.

Giving that money to mental health supports, housing, addiction treatment and recovery etc would.

The issue is ideology of certain people in positions of power within the governments in BC (judges, lawmakers etc).  They treat perps as victims, which allows them to break more laws and victimize more people.  Some may be victims of something at some point and have some sad story in their life, but being a victim isn't a license to break the law and victimize others.

The cities of the pacific west coast are filled with do-gooder hippie dope-smokers, and some get into government and their ideas don't often work.  The hippies raise their kids free-range, the kids grow up directionless with no boundaries and get their kicks trashing stuff and getting high, and when the cops catch them the courts give them a hug and put them back on the street.

This is absurd. These problems aren'r restricted to the west coast, not are they unique to "liberal" cities. If you want to pint the finger, point it at conservative austerity policies.

Why is it that for the past 40 years every other public service has been expected to do more with less but for some reason the chequebook is always open for police?

I honestly don't know much about police budgets.  However, I do know that when I emailed my city counselors after George Floyd happened and requested they equip police with bodycams they responded by saying there's a committee studying it, which was probably code for "nah".

Giving that money to mental health supports, housing, addiction treatment and recovery etc would.

I'm not against any of this.  But I also know police should be adequately funded because cities are filled with dirtbags, so paying for these supports by taking money from police budgets is a pretty blanket recommendation with no nuance.  If a dept is overfunded and buying tanks & overpaying people ok sure.  I think it's ok to acknowledge the role of policing is vital but also acknowledge their failures & demand change/accountability.

This is absurd. These problems aren'r restricted to the west coast, not are they unique to "liberal" cities. If you want to pint the finger, point it at conservative austerity policies.

I was talking about this:  https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/sick-of-break-ins-and-assaults-bcers-vote-for-tough-on-crime-mayors

The average teacher salary in Vancouver is $67k; the average police officer salary is $102.6k.

https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/vancouver-teacher-salary-SRCH_IL.0,9_IM972_KO10,17.htm

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/vancouver-police-officer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,9_IM972_KO10,24.htm%23:~:text%3DThe%2520average%2520salary%2520for%2520a,does%2520%2524102%252C673%2520look%2520to%2520you%253F&ved=2ahUKEwjUrKLNjuv6AhWOADQIHUf7BXIQFnoECAsQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3lodjqE3wZ0ip8bbmA2Xmv

I'm not sure what you're getting at though. You say you have no idea what police budgets should be, but if they are too high it's probably the union's fault, but you don't think they're too high---at least not in Canada---but you don't know anything about police budgets. But teachers on average make a little more than half what cops do, so maybe we should worry about them.

That's not what I said at all.  Either your reading comprehension is poor or you're doing a strawman dance to prove some point that I never made.

First, I never said teacher salaries are a problem, what an odd comment.  I said public unions drive up salaries and help public employees get good pensions.  I also never said that police budgets weren't too high in Canada, I said that I don't think that budgets are contributing to problems in Canada.  I said that accountability is the main problem, not budgets.  And sure, cities can hire more people like social workers/psychologists to deal with some more minor policing problems, this will help some problems.  But it doesn't fully address problems of police abusing their authority.

This should help solve our problems:  https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/10/19/toronto-police-officers-shot-at-scarborough-violence-constable-andrew-hong/

I'm unclear what this has to do with the subject of defunding the police.

Off-duty cop parked in a crosswalk freaks out on a 14-year-old girl because he thinks she touched his car.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/off-duty-wps-officer-shaftesbury-student-1.6634043?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar

But they say they were baffled when an officer from the professional standards unit said an apology by the police was off the table.

"Policemen don't apologize," the dad says he was told by the standards unit officer.

Reminds me of this one from Ottawa. Cop sees a closed road, decides to drive up the bike lane because he was in a hurry to get home for lunch.

Even more than the stories of violent abuse, it's these types of things that make average people dislike cops. The arrogance, entitlement and the high-handedness that comes through in the most routine interactions, even those not involving the execution of their duties gives you a real insight into Cop Brain.

Oh yeah I forgot, this is the thread where we only crap on the cops.

Again: what does that article have to do with the subject of defunding the police, pro or con?

I have a new slogan to delete the dumb "defund the police" meme:

"Police Accountability Now!"

A perfect centrist slogan in that it means anything and nothing at the same time.