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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #375 on: March 31, 2022, 11:31:02 am »
What other groups of people do you stereotype and judge based on the actions of a few?

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« Reply #376 on: March 31, 2022, 11:48:55 am »
Calgary cops have been ordered to stop wearing thin blue line patches. The union says they won't obey.

Yet another reason why people don't like or trust cops: they think they are beyond accountability and they aren't wrong.

It's not a part of the official uniform and therefore should be removed. Tough part is they're an essential service so you can't just fire them or lock them out.  Your move, city of Calgary...

I agree cops so often act like tyrants.
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« Reply #378 on: April 03, 2022, 11:59:57 pm »
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That's why every police dept should have body cams.  We should all check if our local police have them and demand it if they don't.

Cameras are the only thing that can hold these types accountable.
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« Reply #379 on: April 04, 2022, 09:31:56 am »
That's why every police dept should have body cams.  We should all check if our local police have them and demand it if they don't.

Cameras are the only thing that can hold these types accountable.

That dude was on camera and he knew it and it didn't stop him.

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« Reply #380 on: April 04, 2022, 10:22:13 am »
Police budgets have increased exorbitantly in the past 10 years, way past the rate of inflation. In Winnipeg, basic constables make over $100k a year (in a place where you can still find a basic condo for that price). Do the people who cry about defunding the police (but also cry about police states every time they are investigated for breaking the law) see any limit to those increases? How much would be too much?

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« Reply #381 on: April 04, 2022, 10:30:07 am »
That dude was on camera and he knew it and it didn't stop him.

I'd imagine he'll be reprimanded though.  He probably would have got away with it if it wasn't on camera, or at least the odds would have been far higher.
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« Reply #382 on: April 04, 2022, 10:42:06 am »
I'd imagine he'll be reprimanded though.  He probably would have got away with it if it wasn't on camera, or at least the odds would have been far higher.

Even with cameras, we're probably looking at a slap on the wrist. If he does get more, it'll be because he assaulted a fellow cop; if had been a suspect, he'd get a paid vacation. My point here is that cameras are great for documenting this stuff, but there has to be actual oversight and accountability and there currently is none.

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« Reply #383 on: April 04, 2022, 01:11:25 pm »
Even with cameras, we're probably looking at a slap on the wrist. If he does get more, it'll be because he assaulted a fellow cop; if had been a suspect, he'd get a paid vacation. My point here is that cameras are great for documenting this stuff, but there has to be actual oversight and accountability and there currently is none.

Cops get fired andor sued all the time when they do bad stuff caught on camera.   Other times they get a slap on the wrist and get away with it too.  I agree accountability is still a serious problem.  The cameras are a good step is all im saying.
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« Reply #384 on: April 04, 2022, 03:35:57 pm »
Cops get fired andor sued all the time when they do bad stuff caught on camera.   Other times they get a slap on the wrist and get away with it too.  I agree accountability is still a serious problem.  The cameras are a good step is all im saying.

I agree with the general sentiment, though I'm not sure cops actually do get fired all that often (and, in the States at least, when they do, they just move one town or county over and get another police job) and when they do get sued, it's taxpayers who get stuck with the bill.

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« Reply #385 on: April 04, 2022, 08:04:34 pm »
That's why every police dept should have body cams.  We should all check if our local police have them and demand it if they don't.

Cameras are the only thing that can hold these types accountable.


I agree because they also hold perps accountable. There are issues with body cams that don't have anything to do with accountability, like privacy concerns when it comes to anyone who appears on the videos who are not part of the incident. Not an issue for you maybe but it sure as hell will when it comes to the courts .There are over 100K police officers in Canada. Even if you assume only a third of them are patrol officers and half of them are on a 12 hr shift at any one time, that means almost 200,000 hrs of video that must be stored every 24 hrs. How long do you keep it for and where do you store it?

I'm in favour of body cams but these are issues that have to be addressed.
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« Reply #386 on: April 04, 2022, 09:25:46 pm »

I agree because they also hold perps accountable. There are issues with body cams that don't have anything to do with accountability, like privacy concerns when it comes to anyone who appears on the videos who are not part of the incident. Not an issue for you maybe but it sure as hell will when it comes to the courts .There are over 100K police officers in Canada. Even if you assume only a third of them are patrol officers and half of them are on a 12 hr shift at any one time, that means almost 200,000 hrs of video that must be stored every 24 hrs. How long do you keep it for and where do you store it?

I'm in favour of body cams but these are issues that have to be addressed.

The cloud?
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« Reply #387 on: April 04, 2022, 10:07:06 pm »
The cloud?

I suppose but that's 6 million hours of video a month. How log to you keep it? Even compressed you are talking about huge files.
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« Reply #388 on: April 04, 2022, 10:37:52 pm »
I suppose but that's 6 million hours of video a month. How log to you keep it? Even compressed you are talking about huge files.
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« Reply #389 on: April 04, 2022, 11:57:04 pm »

I agree because they also hold perps accountable. There are issues with body cams that don't have anything to do with accountability, like privacy concerns when it comes to anyone who appears on the videos who are not part of the incident. Not an issue for you maybe but it sure as hell will when it comes to the courts .There are over 100K police officers in Canada. Even if you assume only a third of them are patrol officers and half of them are on a 12 hr shift at any one time, that means almost 200,000 hrs of video that must be stored every 24 hrs. How long do you keep it for and where do you store it?

I'm in favour of body cams but these are issues that have to be addressed.

Video recording people in public is fair game.  Legally there are no expectations of privacy while in public.  Anyone can legally video record anyone else while in public.
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