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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #135 on: March 14, 2021, 06:37:46 pm »
What is it you don't understand about court orders?

Courts order cops to cover up their own BS?
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #136 on: March 14, 2021, 06:56:42 pm »
Doesnít suit his narrative.

I knew you were a boot licker.
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« Reply #137 on: March 14, 2021, 09:40:54 pm »
I knew you were a boot licker.

Dumbass....  protesting is not an absolute right that they get to do against a court order during a pandemic.  Sorry if my opinion actually changes based on relevant information rather than one like your's, which is dogmatic.
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #138 on: March 15, 2021, 09:46:06 am »
No one has the right to stand a foot in front of your face and scream obscenities at you. You don't have the right to do it to a police officer yet that is what happens to them at protests quite regularly.

Maybe the cop should have the right to deck the son of a **** just like I would as a private citizen.

You'd catch a charge and the person yelling at you would not.

As for the cops getting yelled at, boo hoo.

They were enforcing a court order to uphold Covid laws. I donít suppose anyone asked them whether they liked the idea of having to do something that would bring out the very reaction you have just displyed.

Only following orders, you say?

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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #139 on: March 16, 2021, 11:41:25 pm »
They were enforcing a court order to uphold Covid laws. I donít suppose anyone asked them whether they liked the idea of having to do something that would bring out the very reaction you have just displyed.
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Well, you've made up your mind. Do you think carrying out court orders should be optional for police?

They (and the people giving the orders) clearly have some amount of flexibility when it comes to enforcing them, because we saw that the George Floyd protests were allowed to proceed, and a couple of weeks ago the Glasgow Rangers footie fans had a big unlawful celebration and the police didn't do anything about it. It's worth mentioning that the group attempting to organize the vigil, Reclaim The Streets, had attempted to work with police and was rebuffed at every turn.  They went to court to challenge the police interpretation of the laws; the police fought them in court.  That was a foolish move, because not only did people attend the vigil despite Reclaim The Streets cancelling the official event, but the police actions have further inflamed tensions to the point that there have been additional protests every night since.  And, to demonstrate that they do indeed have some leeway, the police have learned their lesson and largely left the protesters alone.

A cynic might propose that the George Floyd protests and the Glasgow Rangers celebrations were allowed to proceed uninterrupted because BLM protestors and football hooligans will kick your ass and set your police cars on fire if you try and stop them, and that the Sarah Everard vigil was not allowed to proceed because women won't kick your ass or set your police car on fire.

But UK women should set some police cars on fire, because UK police have been failing them to an immense degree for a long time. 

We've talked at some length on this forum about sex grooming gangs that operated on a massive scale in the UK for decades, the Rotherham scandal being the most infamous of them.  It was (and still is) hotly argued whether the ethnicity of the offenders was a factor in why these gangs were allowed to operate for so long, but two things are universally agreed on. One is that contempt for the victims (almost all being girls from lower social class) was a factor, and two it was a massive failure of policing.

More recently, the number of prosecutions for r4pe has absolutely nosedived in England and Wales. Since 2016 the number of prosecutions has dropped by over half. In 5 years the number of prosecutions has dropped by over half. That's a stunning result. The number of reports has risen, but the number of cases referred to prosecutors by police has fallen substantially, and the number of cases prosecutors bring to trial has dropped even more dramatically.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/30/convictions-fall-record-low-england-wales-prosecutions
In summer of 2020, the UK Victims' Commissioner,  Dame Vera Baird, wrote a report in which she stated "we are witnessing the decriminalization of r4pe."

It's not just r4pe prosecutions. Here's a Twitter thread by an anonymous UK lawyer describing how hard it is to get a domestic violence case to trial:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1371030760501747712.html

After Sarah Everard disappeared, UK women on Twitter shared their stories about being followed, being groped, being flashed, and having their complaints not investigated, ignored, or laughed at. Perhaps it's the result of a country raised on Benny Hill reruns that minor sexual assault and sexual harassment is viewed by the police as being amusing.  These complaints took on an extra significance when it was learned that the man who was arrested had been named in two indecent exposure complaints just last month.  Were the complaints taken seriously? Were they even investigated? In England, chances of that seem slim.  It will be interesting to find out how the Metropolitan Police handled these complaints against one of their own; it seems like a red flag that could have saved Sarah Everard's life had anyone been paying attention.


While UK police say they lack the manpower and resources to protect women, they do seem to have time and energy to engage in all sorts of virtual signalling activities. Photo sessions with LGBTQ+ activists. Selling merch with Stonewall, the LGBTQ+ organization. Marching in parades, running social media accounts that would compare to anything a Tumblr SJW might come up with. They have even investigated Twitter accounts.  In this case, https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-judge-police-probe-transphobic-tweets-unlawful-68984071 police investigated a man for posting a "transphobic" limerick on Twitter; there are others.  The weekend before Sarah Everard was abducted, police were driving around a billboard van that had the message "Being Offensive Is An Offence" on the side, along with an LGBT Pride flag. (they later issued a statement clarifying that being offensive is not, in fact, an offense.)  It is infuriating that in an environment when prosecution of sexual offenses against women has absolutely cratered compared to even a few years ago, the police can somehow find the time and energy for these inane virtue signalling exercises. Instead of driving around in your little billboard van to falsely tell people that "Being Offensive is an Offence", maybe you should go and work on investigating some actual offenses. Freaking idiots.

To be clear: women in the UK are not saying "Defund the police".  Quite the opposite. Women in the UK are asking "why aren't the police protecting us??"  And to some degree the answer appears to be that budget cuts have reduced their ability to investigate and prosecute criminals.


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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #140 on: March 16, 2021, 11:49:46 pm »
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They (and the people giving the orders) clearly have some amount of flexibility when it comes to enforcing them, because we saw that the George Floyd protests were allowed to proceed, and a couple of weeks ago the Glasgow Rangers footie fans had a big unlawful celebration and the police didn't do anything about it.

Yes.

Wilbur isn't technically wrong about enforcing the law.  But i think we can read between the lines.  The police protect their own.  It is the secret oath they swear that supersedes the actually oath they swear to become officers.  This makes pretty much every cop a tyrant and/or an accomplice to tyrants.  Power and a paycheck corrupts.

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To be clear: women in the UK are not saying "Defund the police".  Quite the opposite. Women in the UK are asking "why aren't the police protecting us??"  And to some degree the answer appears to be that budget cuts have reduced their ability to investigate and prosecute criminals.

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« Reply #141 on: March 17, 2021, 04:29:43 pm »

While UK police say they lack the manpower and resources to protect women, they do seem to have time and energy to engage in all sorts of virtual signalling activities. Photo sessions with LGBTQ+ activists. Selling merch with Stonewall, the LGBTQ+ organization. Marching in parades, running social media accounts that would compare to anything a Tumblr SJW might come up with. They have even investigated Twitter accounts.  In this case, https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-judge-police-probe-transphobic-tweets-unlawful-68984071 police investigated a man for posting a "transphobic" limerick on Twitter; there are others.  The weekend before Sarah Everard was abducted, police were driving around a billboard van that had the message "Being Offensive Is An Offence" on the side, along with an LGBT Pride flag. (they later issued a statement clarifying that being offensive is not, in fact, an offense.)  It is infuriating that in an environment when prosecution of sexual offenses against women has absolutely cratered compared to even a few years ago, the police can somehow find the time and energy for these inane virtue signalling exercises. Instead of driving around in your little billboard van to falsely tell people that "Being Offensive is an Offence", maybe you should go and work on investigating some actual offenses. Freaking idiots.

It can't be healthy to be this obsessed.

It's also strange to blame neoliberal austerity measures on police's inability or unwillingness to investigate crimes against women when you see the same thing in other places where the cops haven't lost any funding. IIRC the Globe and Mail did a whole series on how Canadian police agencies DGAF about sexual assault cases.


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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #142 on: March 17, 2021, 09:38:11 pm »
I heard a former prostitute once say the people who mistreat them the most are the police, because they will take advantage of them sexually and few will believe a prostitute over a cop, especially another cop.  It's not like a pimp can retaliate against a cop either.
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #143 on: March 18, 2021, 10:22:50 am »
White guy goes on a murderous rampage, shoots up a bunch of spas in the Atlanta area, killing 8 people including six Asian women.

Cop goes on TV, says they are ruling out race as a motivator because the suspect said it wasn't and that the killer "had a bad day."

And of course, the cop is a Trumper who blames China for COVID-19.



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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #144 on: March 18, 2021, 10:47:55 am »
Some people just want to serve their communities.

Yeah, they just often have specific ideas of who that community includes and who it does not.
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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #145 on: March 18, 2021, 02:34:08 pm »
White guy goes on a murderous rampage, shoots up a bunch of spas in the Atlanta area, killing 8 people including six Asian women.

Cop goes on TV, says they are ruling out race as a motivator because the suspect said it wasn't and that the killer "had a bad day."

And of course, the cop is a Trumper who blames China for COVID-19.


They're saying it might be linked to him having sexual addiction.  Maybe he wanted a rub n tug.  So far this case doesn't make much sense.  Let's hope it's not race related but it doesn't look good.
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« Reply #146 on: March 18, 2021, 03:19:19 pm »
They're saying it might be linked to him having sexual addiction.  Maybe he wanted a rub n tug.  So far this case doesn't make much sense.  Let's hope it's not race related but it doesn't look good.

No, he's saying that and they're parroting him.

Korean-language media interviewed eyewitnesses who said he was shouting that he wantedto "kill all the Asians" but for some reason that hasn't been followed up on in the English language press.

It's certainly in the interests of the cops to position this as a deranged incel driven by sexual frustration instead of examining how the various pathologies on display here might intersect.

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Re: Defund the Police
« Reply #147 on: March 18, 2021, 08:38:59 pm »
They're saying it might be linked to him having sexual addiction.  Maybe he wanted a rub n tug.  So far this case doesn't make much sense.  Let's hope it's not race related but it doesn't look good.

This guy wasn't having a bad day, the people who got shot were having the bad day.
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« Reply #148 on: March 18, 2021, 09:15:58 pm »
This guy wasn't having a bad day, the people who got shot were having the bad day.

Well obviously I think everyone involved had the worst day of their lives that day, the victims far worse than others.
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« Reply #149 on: March 18, 2021, 10:34:44 pm »
I heard a former prostitute once say the people who mistreat them the most are the police, because they will take advantage of them sexually and few will believe a prostitute over a cop, especially another cop.  It's not like a pimp can retaliate against a cop either.

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