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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Cultural Appropriation Culture
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2018, 03:54:48 pm »
Everyone pretends they are Irish on March 17th. Slap on a kilt and sporran and get weepy on Robby Burns day. No biggy even if you are a Cambodian. No cultural appropriation BS even though it is blatant.

The argument is that the irish aren't a marginalized group.
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2018, 03:56:21 pm »
So... is there an example of a case where a significantly large portion of a culture have agreed that cultural appropriation is actually offensive?  The closest thing I can think of is sports teams referencing aboriginal groups.  Washington Redskins. Cleveland Indians.  Edmonton Eskimos.

From what I've heard in polls are whatnot, most aboriginals don't care about the Washington Redkins etc.  I could be wrong.
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2018, 03:57:25 pm »
Kimmy, you forgot the Minnesota Vikings. Why aren't Scandinavians up in arms?

Not a marginalized group.
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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2018, 04:08:22 pm »
That's what I am wondering, yes.
Nonetheless, it is a thing.
The Police sued Puff Daddy for ripping off 'Every Breath You Take' and won.  The Gospels all copied each other.

Culture is not copyrighted.

I guess all those people wearing Nehru jackets in the sixties were guilty of cultural appropriation (if they only knew), but then so would all those South Asians walking around in Saville Row Suits.

It’s just a dumb concept made up by people who need to take offence. The intent is what makes anything a compliment or insult.
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Offline wilber

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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2018, 04:10:09 pm »
Not a marginalized group.

So only “marginalized groups” can have their cultures appropriated. Who knew?
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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2018, 05:27:29 pm »
So only “marginalized groups” can have their cultures appropriated. Who knew?

Most of the thought crimes the Left comes up with have a little asterisk at the end that says "Only applies to white people".
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2018, 05:35:24 pm »
Most of the thought crimes the Left comes up with have a little asterisk at the end that says "Only applies to white people".

Because calling somebody 'honky' means pretty much nothing compared to the 'N Word' ?

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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2018, 05:40:27 pm »
Because calling somebody 'honky' means pretty much nothing compared to the 'N Word' ?

If you reduce it to name calling, yeah, but racism/prejudice and bigotry encompass a lot more than that.
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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2018, 07:58:15 pm »
If you reduce it to name calling, yeah, but racism/prejudice and bigotry encompass a lot more than that.

Bigots tend to resort to name calling because they haven't the IQ to ascend above that.
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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2018, 08:00:22 pm »
Bigots tend to resort to name calling because they haven't the IQ to ascend above that.

Given most of your posts involve name-calling I guess we should consider that some sort of confession.
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« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2018, 08:14:18 pm »
Given most of your posts involve name-calling I guess we should consider that some sort of confession.
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Ha ha. Once again that is rather rich coming from you. Canada has been populated by immigrants for decades. I am the second generation of Scottish immigrants who arrived here not highly educated or rich, but they knew how to farm, they worked hard, and raised six children who also became successful. That's how the country was built. I guess because Scots are pretty much white skinned they are acceptable to you. Your constant xenophobia is not Canadian as far as I'm concerned. And it's tiring.
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« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2018, 09:20:51 pm »
I thought this was about cultural appropriation, the ludicrous notion that someone is somehow stealing another’s culture by imitating it.
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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2018, 07:45:24 am »
From what I've heard in polls are whatnot, most aboriginals don't care about the Washington Redkins etc.  I could be wrong.
Most people don't care about any politics whatsoever. They accept the status quo.

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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2018, 07:46:51 am »
If you reduce it to name calling, yeah, but racism/prejudice and bigotry encompass a lot more than that.
Yes it does. That's why it's not the same thing. Your problem is you don't actually recognize the "a lot more than that" part of the equation.

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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2018, 08:06:10 am »
I thought this was about cultural appropriation, the ludicrous notion that someone is somehow stealing another’s culture by imitating it.
It's about making someone's culture a caricature in popular culture. Look at the bastardization of Cinco de Mayo. Most Americans have no clue wtf it is about. To them it's about eating Tex-Mex food (not even authentic Mexican cuisine) and getting ripped on Corona and Margaritas. More than it's about being part of a dominant class that has the social resources to profit from cultural elements that are actually used to oppress people from a non-dominant class. Redskin is a racist caricature of a native person. Miley Cyrus twerking on TV makes profitable something that was met with disgust when black people were doing it. Culture appropriation reveals the structural racism* in society by re-presenting culture queues in a bastardized way, while the source presentation of those queues is either oppressed or a source of oppression for others.

We're not going to fully analyze the issue of cultural appropriation on a message board. If you want more information about it, look into it. Read scholars who are experts on the topic. There's articles out there explaining what it is and why it's a problem. The crux of the issue is that a dominant class is in a position literally to create common meaning for cultures that are not their own. People not only interact on what they perceive, but they interact according to socially constructed meanings that they have for things. Cultural appropriation is about taking something from another culture and changing its meaning when you are not a part of that culture. It's about defining things that are sometimes sacred for one people (native headwear as a fashion statement for instance), when you have no business doing so because you are not of those people.

The reason you don't see cultural appropriation the other way around is because it is about having the power to create discourse in the Foucauldian sense. Knowledge is power and being able to give definition and meaning to things is a way of exerting power. Throughout history, that power has been used to oppress people, define them as something Other and different, but most importantly inferior. You need to be part of a dominant class in order to create those definitions in a way that are broadly adopted at best or simply accepted as given without much thought. The reason subordinate groups can't engage in cultural appropriation is that they don't have the social standing to change broad cultural definitions.

Criticism for cultural appropriation attempts to give power back to the subordinated groups to define for themselves their own culture. It's a way of addressing the power imbalance, but it's also an opportunity to preserve the dignity and respect of people to have their culture recognized by others as it is for them. Lost entirely on people who try to reverse roles is that they never conceive of reversing the power dynamic, just the situational relationships. The problem here is fundamentally about power and ignoring that literally turns a blind eye to core of the issue.

*Note: It doesn't just need to be racism. It's about power, so it can be any dominant position: sex, wealth, absence of disabilities, etc.
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