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« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2018, 05:50:09 pm »
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For Muslims applicants particularly, I'd want to know their religious background and activities and have people they know (employers, neighbours etc.) interviewed.

I'd want to know how many wives and children we are paying for, as well.

https://www.economist.com/news/international/21732106-why-feminism-and-multiculturalism-make-awkward-mix-canadas-problem-polygamy

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/polygamy-in-islam

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Canada has advised UNHCR, the UN’s agency for refugees, not to refer any refugees in polygamous marriages to Canada for resettlement. But border agents in Canada must often make snap judgments based on little information. Often the only way they can identify a polygamist is if he were to volunteer the information or tried to bring in more than one wife at once. Easier to bring them in separately as domestic servants or relatives (Ms Shafia was brought in as a servant and described as the children’s aunt).
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« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2018, 06:59:12 pm »
Immigrants to Canada are interviewed all the time, like spousal sponsorship applicants where their case needs more assessment to determine whether the couple is really married or are only pretending to be married so to fool the system and the Canadian sponsor gets paid off a handsome sum by the applicant.  Happens every day.  Other cases go in front of a judge during hearings etc. where the applicant takes the stand to testify.

Yes, but that only happens AFTER there is suspicion of something wrong. This is from a book by Dr Victor Satzewich on immigration which Kellie Lietch quoted widely prior to the electon.

Testimony before the Senate Standing Committee on National Security and Defence tells us that "only between nine and fifteen percent of immigrants receive an interview with a visa officer before they come to Canada" (page 14). That means that, in a year like last year, when more than 300,000 immigrants were admitted to Canada, only about 30,000 people were interviewed by a trained immigration official.

The reason for the lack of interviews is the focus on achieving predetermined quotas. The immigration bureaucracy, led by immigration ministers of different stripes, has put greater importance on the number of people who are admitted to Canada each year, rather than ensuring that those who are admitted will integrate well into our communities.

Canada's immigration officials are pressured to make decisions on at least seventy-five files a day meaning decisions are made in about three minutes — not including the time spent writing up notes.

As Dr. Satzewich writes, "time and productivity pressures provided the overarching context for decision making" (page 196). One immigration officer said, "Sometimes you have to overlook things to get the program numbers. … Risk management means closing your eyes" (page 136). Another officer said: "If we didn't have the time demands that are on us, the refusal rate would be much higher. If I had enough time, I would at least triple my refusal rate" (page 136).




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« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2018, 03:06:22 pm »
It's hard to get proper statistics on Muslim crimes in the West because most western governments are far enough to the Left that they prize multiculturalism and don't want to give out any information which might sway the public away from it. Thus we saw, after the gang **** and sexual assaults in Germany, both the governmet and police, and with the aid of the main media, ignored the reports and tried to pretend it hadn't happened. Most of the reports indicated the assailants were arabic and north african men and reporting that might cause the public to have less sympathy for multiculturalism and immigration.

Sweden has been doing its best to hide such things, as well. It no longer distributes any statistics on either ethnicity or national origin of assailants and, for the most part, its media downplays any crime reports. This despite the formerly peaceful country now regularly experiences grenade attacks and shootouts between violent middle eastern gangs.

Something like 33,000 **** were reported in Sweden over the past 5 years. And it has become the **** capital of Europe. We're assured by the defenders of Islam and mass immigration, including the Swedish government, that this is entirely coincidental to the sudden huge rise of migrants from mostly Muslim countries. Only a couple of days ago Sweden's major broadcaster counted the convictions. There weren't many, just 843. We don't know the ethnicity or origin of all the other attackers, but among the 843, 58% were foreign born. Among 'violent ****', over 80% were foreign born. The main foreign origin countries were in the Middle East, Afghanistan and North Africa.

This BBC report does its level best to downplay this, since the BBC is one of those media outlets where "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" is the guiding principal when dealing with migrants, and particularly Islam, but the facts are hard to hide.

https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/index.php?action=post;topic=523.60;last_msg=24810

And in a related story in the left wing Guardian, we have the story of how the Swedish Social Democrats' 100 year lock on power is probably about to die, as coming elections are likely to show record support for an anti-immigration, far right group which has risen from the fringes. And the reason? According to the Guardian.

Sweden’s far right has flourished because the elite lost touch with the people

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/26/weden-democrats-far-right-flourished-elite-lost-touch
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« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2018, 03:29:06 pm »
It's hard to get proper statistics on Muslim crimes in the West because most western governments are far enough to the Left that they prize multiculturalism and don't want to give out any information which might sway the public away from it. Thus we saw, after the gang **** and sexual assaults in Germany, both the governmet and police, and with the aid of the main media, ignored the reports and tried to pretend it hadn't happened. Most of the reports indicated the assailants were arabic and north african men and reporting that might cause the public to have less sympathy for multiculturalism and immigration.

Sweden has been doing its best to hide such things, as well. It no longer distributes any statistics on either ethnicity or national origin of assailants and, for the most part, its media downplays any crime reports. This despite the formerly peaceful country now regularly experiences grenade attacks and shootouts between violent middle eastern gangs.

Something like 33,000 **** were reported in Sweden over the past 5 years. And it has become the **** capital of Europe. We're assured by the defenders of Islam and mass immigration, including the Swedish government, that this is entirely coincidental to the sudden huge rise of migrants from mostly Muslim countries. Only a couple of days ago Sweden's major broadcaster counted the convictions. There weren't many, just 843. We don't know the ethnicity or origin of all the other attackers, but among the 843, 58% were foreign born. Among 'violent ****', over 80% were foreign born. The main foreign origin countries were in the Middle East, Afghanistan and North Africa.

This BBC report does its level best to downplay this, since the BBC is one of those media outlets where "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" is the guiding principal when dealing with migrants, and particularly Islam, but the facts are hard to hide.

https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/index.php?action=post;topic=523.60;last_msg=24810

And in a related story in the left wing Guardian, we have the story of how the Swedish Social Democrats' 100 year lock on power is probably about to die, as coming elections are likely to show record support for an anti-immigration, far right group which has risen from the fringes. And the reason? According to the Guardian.

Sweden’s far right has flourished because the elite lost touch with the people

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/26/weden-democrats-far-right-flourished-elite-lost-touch

No, there are statistics. Here are some that refute your never ending xenophobic search for false anti immigrant stats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/world/europe/fact-check-trump-germany.html

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« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2018, 04:10:16 pm »
No, there are statistics. Here are some that refute your never ending xenophobic search for false anti immigrant stats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/world/europe/fact-check-trump-germany.html

I read the BBC, which is a very left wing media source and often post cites from it so it's not like I'm desperately searching for information on Muslims you brainless twat.
Nor does the Times story refute a single thing I said, nor does it contain any statistics on the degree of migrant crime.
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« Reply #65 on: August 26, 2018, 04:18:41 pm »
I read the BBC, which is a very left wing media source and often post cites from it so it's not like I'm desperately searching for information on Muslims you brainless twat.
Nor does the Times story refute a single thing I said, nor does it contain any statistics on the degree of migrant crime. If you had more than a single digit IQ you'd probably have figured that out on your own.

Yeah you need to click on the little hilight thingy's once in awhile to get to the stats, but I realize the fine print might be difficult. Argus and insults when he's refuted. tsk, tsk.
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« Reply #66 on: August 26, 2018, 06:37:19 pm »
Yeah you need to click on the little hilight thingy's once in awhile to get to the stats, but I realize the fine print might be difficult for a brainless twat. Argus and insults when he's refuted. tsk, tsk.

Sirjohn insults those who insult SirJohn.
Perhaps some day you'll even figure out to link properly rather than expecting people to click through your ciites to find whatever **** information you're trying to pretend supports your position.

So let's look at the happy happy picture in Germany, shall we?
Let's look at this part.

German suspects 1,376,450
non-German suspects 736,265

Holy crap! I would have thought in any country the vast, vast majority of suspects would be nationals of that country! But not in Germany!

Now we have to read the fine print.
Immigrants within the meaning of this brochure are suspects who are asylum applicants, quota or civil war refugees or irregular immigrants or whose deportation has been temporarily suspended (2016) and from 2017 (new definition) "asylum seekers", "persons entitled to international/national protection and asylum", "persons under a temporary suspension of deportation", "refugees admitted under quota provisions" and "illegal migrants".

What I get from this is that the term 'immigrants' only includes those who are applicants. It does not include those who have already been accepted at one time or other in Germany, such as Germany's large Turk population, for example.

And from here we see that immigrants made up 167,268 suspects, or 8% There are about 1.6 million such people in Germany (1.9%) So from this we can see that immigrants are committing crimes way out of proportion to their numbers.

Now, a lot of crime was down between 2016 and 2017. But you know what wasn't? **** and sexual coercion/sexual assault! That went from 7,919 in 2016 to 11,282 in 2017, which is something like a 40% increase. Or would be if there weren't some kind of unexplained changes which made them not able to compare.

Still, I don't see this as backing your position of love and adoration for an open door policy towards third world migrants from Muslim countries. Rather the reverse.
You didn't actually read your own cite, did you?



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« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2018, 07:43:01 pm »
Sirjohn insults those who insult SirJohn.

You didn't actually read your own cite, did you?

No, argus insults anyone who refutes his xenophobia. And if you actually read the stats in the site, you see there is actually an overall decline in criminal activity, even with the increase in immigration. And of course your little comment about "adoration" etc. is again something that is destined to the ignore basket where it belongs.

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« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2018, 10:25:03 am »
No, argus insults anyone who refutes his xenophobia. And if you actually read the stats in the site, you see there is actually an overall decline in criminal activity, even with the increase in immigration. And of course your little comment about "adoration" etc. is again something that is destined to the ignore basket where it belongs.

Your desperate Islamism can't stand any criticism of Islam. That's really all there is to it. Maybe if you ever find a woman who doesn't laugh at you you'll drop your hatred of women and your embracing of extreme Islam.
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« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2018, 11:16:32 am »
Your desperate Islamism can't stand any criticism of Islam. That's really all there is to it. Maybe if you ever find a woman who doesn't laugh at you you'll drop your hatred of women and your embracing of extreme Islam.

Sorry l'il buddy but I don't subscribe to any religion, never have. And it sounds like you haven't learned the difference between being laughed at and with. I enjoy a lot of the latter with women, especially the one I have lived with all these years. So, I guess you're wrong on both counts. Tada!

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Re: Criticizing Islam
« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2018, 12:11:07 pm »
It's hard to get proper statistics on Muslim crimes in the West

Please point out the statistics on Christian crimes in the West

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« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2018, 08:40:30 am »
I see calls to 'ban' religion in my newsfeed fairly frequently.  ( From liberal types, from what I can tell. )  This is what government thought control entails.


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One million Muslims are being held right now in Chinese internment camps, according to estimates cited by the UN and U.S. officials. Former inmates—most of whom are Uighurs, a largely Muslim ethnic minority—have told reporters that over the course of an indoctrination process lasting several months, they were forced to renounce Islam, criticize their own Islamic beliefs and those of fellow inmates, and recite Communist Party propaganda songs for hours each day. There are media reports of inmates being forced to eat pork and drink alcohol, which are forbidden to Muslims, as well as reports of torture and death.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/china-pathologizing-uighur-muslims-mental-illness/568525/

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« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2018, 09:08:17 am »
Like other Muslim countries, Malaysia has been getting stricter in its enforcement of Islamic law. Not a good place to be a lesbian, apparently.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/two-malaysian-women-caned-under-islamic-law-for-lesbian-sex/ar-BBMOF8B?ocid=spartandhp
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« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2018, 01:59:13 pm »
An interesting report from Pew, comparing Islamic and Christian beliefs in sub-saharan Africa. 
  http://www.pewforum.org/2010/04/15/executive-summary-islam-and-christianity-in-sub-saharan-africa/

Many Christians and Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa describe members of the other faith as tolerant and honest. In most countries, relatively few see evidence of widespread anti-Muslim or anti-Christian hostility, and on the whole they give their governments high marks for treating both religious groups fairly. 

 Throughout sub-Saharan Africa, Christians and Muslims alike express strong opposition to homosexual behavior, abortion, **** and sex between unmarried people.
 
Regardless of their faith, most sub-Saharan Africans say they favor democracy and think it is a good thing that people from other religions are able to practice their faith freely. At the same time, there is substantial backing among Muslims and Christians alike for government based on either the Bible or sharia law, and considerable support among Muslims for the imposition of severe punishments such as stoning people who commit adultery.

Many Africans are concerned about religious extremism, including within their own faith. Indeed, many Muslims say they are more concerned about Muslim extremism than about Christian extremism, and Christians in four countries say they are more concerned about Christian extremism than about Muslim extremism.

People who say violence against civilians in defense of one’s religion is rarely or never justified vastly outnumber those who say it is sometimes or often justified. But substantial minorities (20% or more) in many countries say violence against civilians in defense of one’s religion is sometimes or often justified.

Circumcision of girls (female genital cutting) is highest in the predominantly Muslim countries of Mali and Djibouti but is more common among Christians than among Muslims in Uganda.

 Majorities of Muslims in nearly all the countries surveyed support allowing leaders and judges to use their religious beliefs when deciding family and property disputes, as do sizable minorities (30% or more) of Christians in most countries
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This survey supports my contention that Christians from the area are more similar in outlook and practice to Muslims than they are to Western Christians.  It also supports the belief of some others that Islam is more extreme, though these extreme views are less pervasive than generally claimed.



 

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« Reply #74 on: September 03, 2018, 02:27:36 pm »
An interesting report from Pew, comparing Islamic and Christian beliefs in sub-saharan Africa. 
  http://www.pewforum.org/2010/04/15/executive-summary-islam-and-christianity-in-sub-saharan-africa/

Many Christians and Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa describe members of the other faith as tolerant and honest.

Mostly in the ones that have less interaction with them, ie, the ones further south with overwhelming Christian populations. But many more Christians think Muslims are violent than the reverse, and that number rises in the countries with larger percentages of Muslims. Of the 19 countries surveyed, almost all have overwhelming Christian majorities. That tends to dampen the demands of Muslims for harsh rules against non-believers.

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Throughout sub-Saharan Africa, Christians and Muslims alike express strong opposition to homosexual behavior, abortion, **** and sex between unmarried people.

Yes, but only Muslims feel adulterers should be stoned.
 
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At the same time, there is substantial backing among Muslims and Christians alike for government based on either the Bible or sharia law, and considerable support among Muslims for the imposition of severe punishments such as stoning people who commit adultery.

There is no biblical law. There is a complete legal system for Islam, however, and it is harsh, violent and unforgiving.

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People who say violence against civilians in defense of one’s religion is rarely or never justified vastly outnumber those who say it is sometimes or often justified. But substantial minorities (20% or more) in many countries say violence against civilians in defense of one’s religion is sometimes or often justified.

No doubt including those who believe in the death penalty for leaving Islam.

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This survey supports my contention that Christians from the area are more similar in outlook and practice to Muslims than they are to Western Christians.  It also supports the belief of some others that Islam is more extreme, though these extreme views are less pervasive than generally claimed.

The Christians believing Christianity should guide their rulers and judges are not exactly calling for a harsh theocratic rule. As I said, there is no biblical law, and the bible is filled with denunciations of violence and calls for tolerance. Compare "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" Jesus told people who had caught an adulterous woman, to the Sharia's requirement such a woman be stoned which is still held as absolute law today by Islamic scholars.
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