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« Reply #135 on: February 15, 2021, 08:37:31 pm »
It’s not “off limits”.  It’s just hyperbole. 

The reservation system may have been an inspiration, but it wasn’t like Nazi gas chamber camps either.  I suppose he took our evil deeds to a whole new level that hasn’t really been matched since, except maybe in Cambodia

How many kids were affected by the “kids in cages” thing?  A million?  10 million?  Oh wait...  a few thousand.  Yeah...  Trump wasn’t very good at the whole “systematic annihilation of Latinos” or whatever he’s being accused of.  As I said...  hyperbole.

It's ok to admit uyou don't understand what people are talking about when they make the comparison.

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« Reply #136 on: February 15, 2021, 09:23:30 pm »
It's ok to admit uyou don't understand what people are talking about when they make the comparison.

I would if I didn’t understand.  But thanks for the condescending attitude all the same.  You’re worse than Hitler!  He was very condescending.

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« Reply #137 on: February 16, 2021, 12:23:16 am »
The rhetorical value of comparing anything to Hitler or Nazi Germany or the Holocaust is heavily outweighed by the fact that your audience will immediately assume you're a dumb-ass or a hysterical loonie.

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« Reply #138 on: February 16, 2021, 12:45:51 am »
The rhetorical value of comparing anything to Hitler or Nazi Germany or the Holocaust is heavily outweighed by the fact that your audience will immediately assume you're a dumb-ass or a hysterical loonie.

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Spoken like a true Nazi fascist.  I kid, I kid.
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« Reply #139 on: February 16, 2021, 09:14:16 am »
I disagree, I think the semantic argument is an important one to have to counter bad faith arguments like "oh so you think she's dumb for comparing MAGA folks to the Jews in 1930s Germany but you're ok with comparing border camps to concentration camps?"

Indeed, having the opportunity to highlight why the latter comparison is valid is useful to illustrate how evil the U.S.'s immigration policies are.
I suppose I missed the context of the thread.

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« Reply #140 on: February 16, 2021, 11:00:38 am »
The rhetorical value of comparing anything to Hitler or Nazi Germany or the Holocaust is heavily outweighed by the fact that your audience will immediately assume you're a dumb-ass or a hysterical loonie.

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All the same I think its fair to compare Hitler's audience to Trump's, especially in light of the the way over 90% of Republicans in Congress still refuse to abandon Trump.  The fundamental question surrounding Hitler's rise to power was how it happened and now it seems patently clear.
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« Reply #141 on: February 16, 2021, 11:44:29 am »
All the same I think its fair to compare Hitler's audience to Trump's, especially in light of the the way over 90% of Republicans in Congress still refuse to abandon Trump.  The fundamental question surrounding Hitler's rise to power was how it happened and now it seems patently clear.

It's a cult following, you could compare it to a lot of things. As one ex Republican strategist said, a real worry is that he could be replace by someone worse who is a lot more competent.
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« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2021, 12:01:27 pm »
I would if I didn’t understand.  But thanks for the condescending attitude all the same.  You’re worse than Hitler!  He was very condescending.

If you think people are making the comparison because they think Trump was trying to do a genocide, then no, you don't understand it.
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« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2021, 12:05:18 pm »
All the same I think its fair to compare Hitler's audience to Trump's, especially in light of the the way over 90% of Republicans in Congress still refuse to abandon Trump.  The fundamental question surrounding Hitler's rise to power was how it happened and now it seems patently clear.

This gets to the point that the people who are poo-pooing the concentration camp comparisons are missing. The comparison was always about the process, not the end result. The holocaust didn't begin with gas chambers: it started with dehumanization and scapegoating that enabled the regime to get away with abrogating the human rights of a specific community. it's not hard to see teh same process at work in the treatment of migrants.
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« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2021, 12:08:34 pm »
The rhetorical value of comparing anything to Hitler or Nazi Germany or the Holocaust is heavily outweighed by the fact that your audience will immediately assume you're a dumb-ass or a hysterical loonie.

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Most people don't know a goddamn thing about Hitler or the Holocaust outside of what they see in movies so I'm not sure their opinions matter.


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« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2021, 12:57:29 pm »
Most people don't know a goddamn thing about Hitler or the Holocaust outside of what they see in movies so I'm not sure their opinions matter.

That's why they insist on making comparisons with the Nazis and the Holocaust.
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« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2021, 01:54:11 pm »
This gets to the point that the people who are poo-pooing the concentration camp comparisons are missing. The comparison was always about the process, not the end result. The holocaust didn't begin with gas chambers: it started with dehumanization and scapegoating that enabled the regime to get away with abrogating the human rights of a specific community. it's not hard to see teh same process at work in the treatment of migrants.

No, the comparison hasn’t been the process.  It is never that nuanced.  If it was, we wouldn’t be having this debate.

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« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2021, 02:07:59 pm »
No, the comparison hasn’t been the process.  It is never that nuanced.  If it was, we wouldn’t be having this debate.

Again, just because you aren't familiar with the arguments, doesn't mean your bad faith interpretation of them is correct.

I challenge you to find examples of people comparing the Trump camps and Nazi death camps on the basis you say.

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« Reply #148 on: February 16, 2021, 02:09:17 pm »
That's why they insist on making comparisons with the Nazis and the Holocaust.

Except lots of people who do know the history make the same comparisons. So where does that leave you?

An Expert on Concentration Camps Says That's Exactly What the U.S. Is Running at the Border


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« Reply #149 on: February 16, 2021, 02:58:40 pm »
Except lots of people who do know the history make the same comparisons. So where does that leave you?

An Expert on Concentration Camps Says That's Exactly What the U.S. Is Running at the Border


She doesn't make the comparison at all, quite the opposite.

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"Things can be concentration camps without being Dachau or Auschwitz."


She says what the US is running are concentration camps and I don't disagree. What she doesn't do is compare them to Nazi camps.
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