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« Reply #180 on: March 07, 2021, 07:33:14 pm »
Bridgerton has black people playing a Duke and the Queen of England. Odd but what the hell.

At least Bridgerton is fiction.  Mary Queen of Scots was a period piece.

Two of the major characters were also gay for which there is no historical record but I can accept what the screen writer posited about history erasing the possibility.

But the inclusion of black and asian characters reaches the point of diminishing returns...  it's radical tokenism.

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« Reply #181 on: March 07, 2021, 09:02:30 pm »
Anybody see Downfall ?  You could NOT have black people play famous people in that.

That's all.

Black Hitler?
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« Reply #182 on: March 07, 2021, 09:10:12 pm »
At least Bridgerton is fiction.  Mary Queen of Scots was a period piece.

Two of the major characters were also gay for which there is no historical record but I can accept what the screen writer posited about history erasing the possibility.

But the inclusion of black and asian characters reaches the point of diminishing returns...  it's radical tokenism.

I would watch an all-black cast about an African period piece if it were a good show.  I mean, I loved the Cosby Show, race was not relevant to a good show.  Wings was an all-white sitcom, it was a terrible show.  There's nothing inherently wrong with an all-white cast if it's a period piece.  Apparently there were black nobility back in the day.

We really need to stop worrying about race so much.  The Cosby Show wasn't racist, and neither was Cheers.  It's just a show.

I liked Jerry's answer on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsEr6xNN8Hw
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« Reply #183 on: March 07, 2021, 09:22:27 pm »
At least Bridgerton is fiction.  Mary Queen of Scots was a period piece.

Two of the major characters were also gay for which there is no historical record but I can accept what the screen writer posited about history erasing the possibility.

But the inclusion of black and asian characters reaches the point of diminishing returns...  it's radical tokenism.

Maybe but it is supposed to take place near during the Napoleonic wars, characters are mentioned to be in Spain with Wellington. George III was still king, Queen Charlotte was German, any possible African lineage would be through the Portuguese royal family 15 generations removed.

Makes the show interesting though, she is also a great character.
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« Reply #184 on: March 07, 2021, 09:40:30 pm »
Maybe but it is supposed to take place near during the Napoleonic wars, characters are mentioned to be in Spain with Wellington. George III was still king, Queen Charlotte was German, any possible African lineage would be through the Portuguese royal family 15 generations removed.

Makes the show interesting though, she is also a great character.

Yeah, I hear lots of good things about it.  I will give it a go, it sounds like my type of show. 

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« Reply #185 on: March 07, 2021, 10:08:21 pm »
It's an interesting conundrum. I doubt there were any black princes of Denmark so does that mean a black person should never play Hamlet?
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« Reply #186 on: March 07, 2021, 10:39:38 pm »
I think a lot of conservatives would clutch their pearls about cancel culture, but personally, I don't really care any more than a black actress playing Ariel in Little Mermaid. 

Fiction is fiction. 
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« Reply #187 on: March 08, 2021, 05:12:19 am »

We really need to stop worrying about race so much.   

I don't think that we ever worried about it that much.  They will tell us when we can stop worrying.

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« Reply #188 on: March 08, 2021, 10:26:49 am »

I watched Mary, Queen of Scots and there was a black and Asian Character in the movie.  They portrayed characters in royal setting of 16th Century Scotland and England.

I stand corrected, I have now seen Hollywood go overboard on representation.

This may shock people, but Black and Asian people existed in the past outside of Africa and Asia.
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« Reply #189 on: March 08, 2021, 10:27:26 am »
I would watch an all-black cast about an African period piece if it were a good show.  I mean, I loved the Cosby Show, race was not relevant to a good show.  Wings was an all-white sitcom, it was a terrible show.  There's nothing inherently wrong with an all-white cast if it's a period piece.  Apparently there were black nobility back in the day.

We really need to stop worrying about race so much.  The Cosby Show wasn't racist, and neither was Cheers.  It's just a show.

I liked Jerry's answer on this:


Who's "we"?

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« Reply #190 on: March 08, 2021, 10:33:22 am »
At least Bridgerton is fiction.  Mary Queen of Scots was a period piece.

Two of the major characters were also gay for which there is no historical record but I can accept what the screen writer posited about history erasing the possibility.

But the inclusion of black and asian characters reaches the point of diminishing returns...  it's radical tokenism.

How many times have straight white actors been cast to play gay or ethnic characters? And I'm not just talking back in the day, I'm talking this century.

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« Reply #191 on: March 08, 2021, 11:16:13 am »
I don't think that we ever worried about it that much.  They will tell us when we can stop worrying.

Who is "they".  Why would I let someone tell me how to think?
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« Reply #192 on: March 08, 2021, 11:16:57 am »
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.

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« Reply #193 on: March 08, 2021, 11:43:04 am »
Who is "they".  Why would I let someone tell me how to think?

I put that in there on purpose so you would catch it and maybe take a guess.

You are already saying the problem is solved, by putting everyone together in a "we" and not allowing a "they".

Would you let a woke person declare "cancel culture" not a problem ? 

You're denying the reason that politics exists - ie. you can't deny "them" and "us" until they say we can.  There are some theys that went away in the past.  Masons, for example.

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« Reply #194 on: March 08, 2021, 12:53:38 pm »
How many times have straight white actors been cast to play gay or ethnic characters? And I'm not just talking back in the day, I'm talking this century.

I find it equally outrageous.  What's your point?