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« Reply #135 on: June 30, 2021, 05:51:07 pm »
How was it ‘cancel culture’ to put someone in prison for rrape?

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« Reply #136 on: June 30, 2021, 05:52:35 pm »
Harvey Weinstein... #MeToo

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« Reply #137 on: July 01, 2021, 09:54:49 pm »
Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II statues toppled in Winnipeg at the provincial legislature on Canada Day.  Seems like aboriginal rights protestors did it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/queen-victoria-statue-winnipeg-1.6087684

edit:  there's a video in that article.  A fairly big crowd, many many hundreds it looks like, gathered in front of the statue. Many aboriginals.  The lady filming is very emotional and happy it is toppled.
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« Reply #138 on: July 02, 2021, 04:52:07 am »
Either this is a fad, and will give way to new things maybe even important things or politics will just be about renaming hundreds and thousands of things for the foreseeable future.

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« Reply #139 on: July 02, 2021, 11:44:47 am »
Either this is a fad, and will give way to new things maybe even important things or politics will just be about renaming hundreds and thousands of things for the foreseeable future.

I'm curious to how far the "decolonization" project will go?  I think there's a decent chance that once the baby-boomers die off and the whitey anglo is a minority in Canada we'll see serious efforts for Canada to shake off the Crown and become a republic.  They could easily just replace the Queen's duties with the GG title.  Quebec would love to get rid of the Brit royals.  And this will lead to conflict over "Crown lands" among aboriginal groups.
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« Reply #140 on: July 02, 2021, 12:17:49 pm »
I'm curious to how far the "decolonization" project will go?  I think there's a decent chance that once the baby-boomers die off and the whitey anglo is a minority in Canada we'll see serious efforts for Canada to shake off the Crown and become a republic.  They could easily just replace the Queen's duties with the GG title.  Quebec would love to get rid of the Brit royals.  And this will lead to conflict over "Crown lands" among aboriginal groups.

All these things happened after Canada obtained self government, blaming the Crown or colonization is a cop out.
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« Reply #141 on: July 02, 2021, 01:50:35 pm »
All these things happened after Canada obtained self government, blaming the Crown or colonization is a cop out.

Whatever is factual isn't really relevant to how people feel and think and their resulting actions.

Canada was built as a British colonial project.  The aboriginals were colonized by the Brits and French, then the Brits defeated France on the Plains of Abraham in Quebec City during the Seven Years War, after which the British Empire imposed its will over the French colonial population, despite different rebellions and the Quebec Francophone nationalism post-Quiet Revolution.  Canada's government is still part of the "British Crown" in many people's eyes, even if it's called the Canadian Crown.

If Quebec resents the Crown and feels few national ties to it, and aboriginals feel the same, and non-anglo immigrants don't give a rat about the monarchy, and in fact some like South Asian migrants whose ancestors lived under their colonial rule also aren't a fan, how long until it's abandoned by Canadians?  How long until they don't want the Monarch on their money or want to celebrate Victoria Day?

It's all really just symbolic at this point since the Crown is just a figure head rubber stamp, symbolic like toppling statues.
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« Reply #142 on: September 27, 2021, 01:36:33 pm »
Bill Burr on the things we cancel and don't...


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« Reply #143 on: September 28, 2021, 09:11:13 pm »
I think this Oxford student sums the issue up quite well.

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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #144 on: September 29, 2021, 07:01:13 am »
I think this Oxford student sums the issue up quite well.



I learned nothing much at all from this verbose British toff, but some points to acknowledge:

-His focus was on social media cancelling... which is ok, but a different form of cancelling has happened throughout history and he did reference history in the later part of his monologue here.  But ok.

-I found he used 'ethical' when it was really an examination on public 'morality'.  Maybe he meant that it purports to be about ethics, not sure.
 
-Social Media is a machine with unauthorized destructive potential - YES 1000X YES.  However McLuhan pointed out that all technology is this.  For example, the automobile destroyed cities, neighbourhoods and cultures and no one suspected that would happen.

-His view on the morals of the future is apt, but Hegel pointed this out in the Philosophy of History 200 years ago

 
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Is cancel culture effective in changing behaviour ?  He says it's not but I think morality is the MOST likely communal aspect that can be expected to adjust to new technology. 

Also - there's a problem when we talk about these phenomena generally without examples: are we talking about Don Cherry ?  J. K. Rowling ?  Noam Chomsky ?  The Dixie Chicks ?
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« Reply #145 on: October 14, 2021, 03:59:17 pm »
Southlake school leader tells teachers to balance Holocaust books with 'opposing' views


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“Just try to remember the concepts of [House Bill] 3979,” Peddy said in the recording, referring to a new Texas law that requires teachers to present multiple perspectives when discussing “widely debated and currently controversial” issues. “And make sure that if you have a book on the Holocaust,” Peddy continued, “that you have one that has an opposing, that has other perspectives.”

“How do you oppose the Holocaust?” one teacher said in response.

“Believe me,” Peddy said. “That’s come up.”


Weird, I was told these bills were unproblematic and wouldn't cause any unintended consequences.

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« Reply #146 on: October 19, 2021, 08:07:51 pm »
People might remember this from the height of the George Floyd BLM hysteria where so many people were being 'cancelled' for the slightest politically incorrect statements, acts or jokes. Three young women in Toronto were videoed horsing around and the video was posted to snapchat. Some nutbar in Toronto took a screenshot of one of the frames of the video and then began a social media campaign against them for being racist and mocking George Floyd's death. One of them had her offer of a well-paid job with the government withdrawn and was also turned down in her application with the RCMP due to 'character'. Another was fired from Boston Pizza. The third was a teaching assistant and was investigated by the Ontario Teachers college.

Only it turns out their horsing around had nothing to do with George Floyd at all. Their lives were turned upside down and they were hounded off the internet by thousands of angry people for no reason whatsoever. They recently won a court judgement against the woman who started the campaign but are unlikely to collect much, if anything, as she has no possessions and unemployed. The written judgement makes it clear that she has zero remorse, and refuses to admit any wrongdoing. It also makes clear just how vicious her campaign was against these women. She's a total shithead. But the real condemnation ought to be reserved for those institutions which took action based on a social media attack campaign without doing a thing to validate any of the facts.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/ep4xdm/canada-border-services-fires-employee-after-racist-video-mocks-george-floyd

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2021/2021onsc6661/2021onsc6661.html

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« Reply #147 on: October 19, 2021, 08:22:32 pm »
Only it turns out their horsing around had nothing to do with George Floyd at all. 

The Vice article and the court judgment use the same wording and carried the denial:
 “To anyone who saw my post, I meant absolutely no disrespect and didn’t mean to hurt or offend anyone.  In the video, they were play fighting as they always do and in retrospect I can see how the video could be taken out of context given the current situation and I now see how insensitive it is.  It was wrong of me to be inconsiderate of the sensitive times at hand and by no means did I use this as a representation of what happened with George Floyd.  I in no way support that sort of action against anyone and I sincerely apologize for my oversight and insensitivity to the matter, especially with the state of the world right now. I completely understand the frustration and the anger towards me and there are no excuses for my actions.  I am so sorry to anyone who has been hurt or affected in any way through my post as this is not a reflection of who I am as a person.”

I think that's a terrible apology.  It sounds like she's guilty.  She should have had a lawyer help with that. 


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Re: Cancel Culture Culture
« Reply #148 on: October 19, 2021, 11:25:35 pm »
Southlake school leader tells teachers to balance Holocaust books with 'opposing' views


Weird, I was told these bills were unproblematic and wouldn't cause any unintended consequences.

The person who said that about the holocaust is pretty bad at their job.  At least the other teachers on the recording were like "what???"
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« Reply #149 on: October 19, 2021, 11:26:35 pm »
Are the people who want to cancel "cancel culture" giving in to cancel culture themselves?
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