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« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2021, 01:38:37 pm »
And come to think of it, the Mohawks are from upstate NY ... hmmmm

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« Reply #76 on: June 11, 2021, 04:10:16 pm »
What is Queen Victoria to a student in the 21st Century? A relic, a name, nothing more.

Sounds like a good opportunity to teach them some history of the country.  When we celebrate Victoria Day we should have an idea of what and who we're celebrating instead of just taking off a long weekend.  Knowledge of history in this country is an embarrassment.  How many Canadians can name our 2nd Prime Minister?

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Telling that you don't see the WASPness that Queen Victoria represents as being a "tribal identity".

The school was not named for reasons of the Queen's ethnicity or religion aka WASPness.

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« Reply #77 on: June 11, 2021, 04:54:19 pm »
Sounds like a good opportunity to teach them some history of the country.  When we celebrate Victoria Day we should have an idea of what and who we're celebrating instead of just taking off a long weekend.  Knowledge of history in this country is an embarrassment.

You could do that and still rename the school after someone relevant.

They should change the name of Victoria Day too.

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The school was not named for reasons of the Queen's ethnicity or religion aka WASPness.

But renaming it after, say, an accomplished resident of Parkdale would be "tribal"?

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« Reply #78 on: June 11, 2021, 04:59:59 pm »
Don Cherry public school
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« Reply #79 on: June 14, 2021, 11:14:33 am »
While the right works itself into a froth over "Critical Race theory" being taught in schools (nb: CRT i snot being taught in schools), this is the kind of **** that actually is being taught in schools.

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« Reply #80 on: June 14, 2021, 11:58:09 am »
While the right works itself into a froth over "Critical Race theory" being taught in schools (nb: CRT i snot being taught in schools), this is the kind of **** that actually is being taught in schools.

Yeah that sounds like pro-Confederate propaganda.  Also that white family weren't refugees for fleeing to Texas, they were internally displaced persons.

Public schools should not be involved in moralizing and teaching values, whether right or left.  Just teach the facts as objectively as possible and let students make up their own minds and think for themselves.  Everything else is propaganda.
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« Reply #81 on: June 14, 2021, 12:32:38 pm »
Public schools should not be involved in moralizing and teaching values, whether right or left.  Just teach the facts as objectively as possible and let students make up their own minds and think for themselves.  Everything else is propaganda.


The decision about what facts to teach is a political one. Or as you would say, propaganda.


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« Reply #82 on: June 14, 2021, 01:09:38 pm »

The decision about what facts to teach is a political one. Or as you would say, propaganda.

Yes I agree.  But if there's different narratives involved, which there often is in a history subject, you have to teach the different narratives from a balanced point of view.  The point is to be as objective as possible.  If they followed this up with a "sad" story from the perspectives of slaves then it would probably be ok (or at worst less inappropriate).  If they're just showing the "sad" stories of the slave holders that's not right, and an agenda could be involved, which I suspect there probably is here.

Sometimes bias is on purpose with an agenda or unconscious, but it still needs to be minimized either way.  Public high school/elementary classrooms should not be politicized.
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« Reply #83 on: June 14, 2021, 02:19:51 pm »

The decision about what facts to teach is a political one. Or as you would say, propaganda.

Black Dog - do you think it's reasonable to communicate an overall positive view of our country to young people in the education system ?

Keep in mind that is NOT the same as papering over the past.

If so how ?
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« Reply #84 on: June 14, 2021, 02:24:46 pm »
Black Dog - do you think it's reasonable to communicate an overall positive view of our country to young people in the education system ?

Keep in mind that is NOT the same as papering over the past.

If so how ?

For what purpose?

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« Reply #85 on: June 14, 2021, 02:44:40 pm »
For what purpose?

What is it you want?
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« Reply #86 on: June 14, 2021, 02:52:52 pm »
What is it you want?

To know why we need to "communicate an overall positive view of our country to young people in the education system".

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« Reply #87 on: June 14, 2021, 03:04:29 pm »
For what purpose?

I have never considered that.

People generally like to feel that their project is redeemable, whether it is a family, city, region, nation or even a religion. 

Did you go to Søren Kierkegaard Elementary or something ?

Kids drawing "The Scream" in finger painting ?

Class play was Camus ?  The Myth of Syssyphus ?

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« Reply #88 on: June 14, 2021, 04:09:26 pm »
I think an honest comparison as to how Canada is doing, looking at various metrics, should be done.  And, given we are likely 1 of the best countries in which to live, the nation would come out looking quite well. 

Like MH said, that doesn’t mean we should paint over Canada’s poor record where there is one.  But there is nothing wrong with saying how Canada s generally doing, which we all know is very good!

Some people just have a hard time looking at a glass that is half-full, I guess.
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« Reply #89 on: June 14, 2021, 04:59:36 pm »
I think an honest comparison as to how Canada is doing, looking at various metrics, should be done. And, given we are likely 1 of the best countries in which to live, the nation would come out looking quite well. 

Like MH said, that doesn’t mean we should paint over Canada’s poor record where there is one.  But there is nothing wrong with saying how Canada s generally doing, which we all know is very good!

Some people just have a hard time looking at a glass that is half-full, I guess.

What's the takeaway for students? Is there an educational value in that or is it just patting ourselves on the back?