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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2018, 06:30:17 pm »
Maybe they were being racist, maybe they weren't, I haven't looked at all the info.  In order for me to properly assess the info I have to read a bunch of articles, watch a bunch of videos of the scene and interviews etc.  The case is interesting but i don't feel like wasting an hour of my life trying to figure out if Starbucks kicked some guys out of a coffee shop.  Hopefully justice will be done either way it goes.  There's black guys getting shot by police who don't deserve it, i'll save my time for those more important instances.  Not that I'm better than any of you guys discussing it because it's still important, so have fun.
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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2018, 02:30:41 am »
Would these guys have been kicked out of the Starbucks if they weren't black?

If white guys were kicked out of a Starbucks for loitering, would it be news?

Ultimately, I think I'm with Poonlight on this one.

Quote from: Poonlight Graham on April 16, 2018, 06:30:17 pm
i don't feel like wasting an hour of my life trying to figure out if Starbucks kicked some guys out of a coffee shop.

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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2018, 08:40:45 am »
Sure, technically you shouldn't be in the store if you're not a paying customer. But as a White Privileged person, I'd never image to have the cops called on me if I was waiting around for friends to show up.

The double standard is glaring.
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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2018, 08:53:13 am »
A lot of context is missing here. How busy was the store? Were they being quiet and respectful? How long were they there?

There is the letter of the law, and then there is common deceancy.
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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2018, 09:00:41 am »
Quote from: Boges on April 17, 2018, 08:40:45 am
Sure, technically you shouldn't be in the store if you're not a paying customer. But as a White Privileged person, I'd never image to have the cops called on me if I was waiting around for friends to show up.

The double standard is glaring.

I see white people harassed by cops and told to move all the time. These white people happen to be panhandlers, drunks, and drug users.

As ?Impact says, there is more context than just skin color.

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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2018, 11:11:49 am »
Quote from: Boges on April 17, 2018, 08:40:45 am
Sure, technically you shouldn't be in the store if you're not a paying customer. But as a White Privileged person, I'd never image to have the cops called on me if I was waiting around for friends to show up.

As a white privileged person would you tell the restaurant manager to go **** himself if he told you the tables were for paying customers and you had to leave? Probably not. And if the police showed up and said the restaurant wanted you to leave would you hold your middle finger up to them and tell them you refused to leave?
Probably not.
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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2018, 11:15:14 am »
Quote from: kimmy on April 17, 2018, 09:00:41 am
I see white people harassed by cops and told to move all the time. These white people happen to be panhandlers, drunks, and drug users.


These guys weren't panhandling, drunk or drug users though.
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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2018, 11:18:29 am »
Quote from: BC_cheque on April 17, 2018, 11:15:14 am
These guys weren't panhandling, drunk or drug users though.

If these guys had been white and asked to leave they probably would have just left. Nobody would have taken any videos. And it never would have gotten on the national news. The idea they never would have been asked to leave if they were white is ridiculous. They were non-customers and brought themselves to the attention of staff by asking to use the bathroom. Staff NEVER want to let non-customers use their restrooms.

But these two entitled **** refused to leave, even when the police showed up.
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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2018, 11:24:22 am »
Those darned blacks, causing a ruckus again!  Get off of my lawn you darned punk kids! [/sacrasm]

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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2018, 11:27:49 am »
Quote from: SirJohn on April 17, 2018, 11:18:29 am
If these guys had been white and asked to leave they probably would have just left. Nobody would have taken any videos. And it never would have gotten on the national news. The idea they never would have been asked to leave if they were white is ridiculous. They were non-customers and brought themselves to the attention of staff by asking to use the bathroom. Staff NEVER want to let non-customers use their restrooms.

But these two entitled **** refused to leave, even when the police showed up.

I'm not sure where you're getting that they were asked to leave before the cops were called because other than from you, I haven't read it in any other reports.

Even if they were asked to leave first, that's the kicker.  Two well-dressed white men waiting in Starbucks for another party would not be asked to leave in the first place.
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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2018, 11:35:37 am »
Quote from: BC_cheque on April 17, 2018, 11:27:49 am
I'm not sure where you're getting that they were asked to leave before the cops were called because other than from you, I haven't read it in any other reports.

Commissioner Richard Ross said in the video that one or both of the men asked to use the restroom but had not purchased anything. An employee said Starbucks company policy was to refuse the use of the restrooms to non-customers and asked the men to leave, according to Ross. The employee called the police when they refused.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/04/16/two-black-men-were-arrested-at-starbucks-ceo-now-calling-for-unconscious-bias-training/?utm_term=.da141163ff59

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Even if they were asked to leave first, that's the kicker.  Two well-dressed white men waiting in Starbucks for another party would not be asked to leave in the first place.

I don't know where you get that they were 'well dressed'. They were as well-dressed as construction workers, maybe, or guys going to play football in the park. If they hadn't approached an employee and asked to use the restroom they probably would have been given a longer grace period before being asked to leave. But eventually someone not buying is going to be asked to leave.
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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2018, 01:14:58 pm »
I'm just hearing that Starbucks is planning to close all of it's 8000 stores on the afternoon of May 29th to give their employees a course on racial profiling. That's a serious response to what happened in Philly and probably a pretty strong PR move to smooth out their customer relations. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2018, 01:18:32 pm »
Quote from: Omni on April 17, 2018, 01:14:58 pm
I'm just hearing that Starbucks is planning to close all of it's 8000 stores on the afternoon of May 29th to give their employees a course on racial profiling. That's a serious response to what happened in Philly and probably a pretty strong PR move to smooth out their customer relations. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Do you have a cite for that?  8000 stores is a lot, training generally requires trainers and would they be able to muster that many trainers that quickly?  And would they really give up an entire afternoon's receipts, when they could do ongoing training while keeping the stores open.  Anyway, I did try to find a source for that story, but was unsuccessful - so if you have one, please share.  :)
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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2018, 01:29:50 pm »
Quote from: dia on April 17, 2018, 01:18:32 pm
Do you have a cite for that?  8000 stores is a lot, training generally requires trainers and would they be able to muster that many trainers that quickly?  And would they really give up an entire afternoon's receipts, when they could do ongoing training while keeping the stores open.  Anyway, I did try to find a source for that story, but was unsuccessful - so if you have one, please share.  :)

I had just heard it on CNN but here is a cite.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philadelphia-starbucks/starbucks-to-close-8000-u-s-stores-for-racial-bias-training-idUSKBN1HO2UF
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Re: Black troublemakers arrested at Starbucks
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2018, 01:34:13 pm »
Quote from: Omni on April 17, 2018, 01:29:50 pm
I had just heard it on CNN but here is a cite.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philadelphia-starbucks/starbucks-to-close-8000-u-s-stores-for-racial-bias-training-idUSKBN1HO2UF

Thanks.  Looks like an (unnecessary) grand gesture to me, but good on them for stepping up instead of avoiding and deflecting. 
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