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Re: Auto Racing
« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2020, 01:32:38 pm »

So you are about image, not reality?



You don't like golf but golf courses have the same environmental impact as an urban park and many of them are in urban areas. Would it be better to convert them all into more housing and commercial properties?

Skiing. How many thousands of hectares of forrest are cut down to provide ski runs in remote areas that can only be accessed by motor vehicles?

There are many sports that don't directly use fossil fuels which have bigger carbon footprints.

The world wide TV audience for F1 in 2019 was 1.9 billion people with 471 million unique viewers. Their social media followers were up 32% and their app had over 700 million views. 62% of new fans were under 35.

Racing will be popular as long as people drive their own vehicles. Face it, people will race anything, even lawnmowers.  Formula E is also gaining popularity and will continue to do so as more people buy EV's but battery technology doesn't yet allow hybrid or ICE performance over anything other than short races. All except two of its races are on street circuits, not proper race tracks.

I do agree that the more old school types of racing such as NASCAR and Indy Car will need to embrace new technologies to remain relevant.

Wilbur, you can leave me out of this. I'm not really interested.
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« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2020, 01:51:42 pm »
Wilbur, you can leave me out of this. I'm not really interested.

I never brought you into this.
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« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2020, 03:08:53 pm »
Wilbur, you can leave me out of this. I'm not really interested.

Then perhaps stop responding?

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« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2020, 12:06:49 pm »
squid. Don't you miss the scream of a 3L V10 at 20,000 RPM? I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqaJKTRs-Kg
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« Reply #79 on: October 07, 2020, 07:24:59 pm »
squid. Don't you miss the scream of a 3L V10 at 20,000 RPM? I do.

Yeah, the V10s sounded incredible.  Do you recall the HP compared to the current turbo V6s?


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« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2020, 07:37:27 pm »
Yeah, the V10s sounded incredible.  Do you recall the HP compared to the current turbo V6s?

Around 900 I think, so about the same as the combined gas and electric motors on current cars. The electric motors and turbo chargers give the new cars a lot more low end torque and HP than the old normally aspirated engines.

How about this one from 1953.
1.5L V16 600 HP. When it ran.

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« Reply #81 on: October 25, 2020, 03:54:11 pm »
Hamilton sets record, 92 wins. Who would have thunk Schumacher's record would ever been broken.

Like that Algarve circuit. Relentless, the corners just keep coming, lots of elevation changes with blind rises where they can't see the road in front of them. It must be really tiring to drive.

One thing about Covid and having to do almost all of the season in Europe. it means we have seen some great tracks that we don't normally see. It would be great if they could race at Algarve and Mugello more often.
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« Reply #82 on: October 25, 2020, 05:35:23 pm »
Hamilton sets record, 92 wins. Who would have thunk Schumacher's record would ever been broken.

Like that Algarve circuit. Relentless, the corners just keep coming, lots of elevation changes with blind rises where they can't see the road in front of them. It must be really tiring to drive.

One thing about Covid and having to do almost all of the season in Europe. it means we have seen some great tracks that we don't normally see. It would be great if they could race at Algarve and Mugello more often.

Lots of corners, but still some good passing and side-by-side racing.  Entertaining race.  Too bad Stroll blew it...  I know dad owns the team....  but I'm starting to think they might be getting rid of the wrong driver... 

Albon is not long at Red Bull anymore...  he is way too far behind Max.  Perez maybe?

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« Reply #83 on: October 25, 2020, 08:51:53 pm »
Lots of corners, but still some good passing and side-by-side racing.  Entertaining race.  Too bad Stroll blew it...  I know dad owns the team....  but I'm starting to think they might be getting rid of the wrong driver... 

Albon is not long at Red Bull anymore...  he is way too far behind Max.  Perez maybe?

Perez has shown himself to be a top driver. He and Hulkenberg should both still be in F1. Perez should get a ride somewhere considering his talent and how much money he brings to the table. Stroll has had a rough few weeks with Covid and some DNF's that weren't his fault. The jury is still out but Perez is in a different league right now.

The Red Bull looks like a difficult car to drive and only Max seems able to tame it. Should Gasly get another shot? He sure is doing well in the AlphaTauri but can he tame the Red Bull? Perez and Max might be a really good pairing but I think Red Bull will be reluctant to give up on their young drivers. Perez at Williams maybe? Russell is their best driver and shows real promise but Latifi brings big bucks. On the other hand, Russell is a Mercedes protege and how much say do they have. The silly season is sillier than usual this year.
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« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2020, 09:22:35 pm »
Perez has shown himself to be a top driver. He and Hulkenberg should both still be in F1. Perez should get a ride somewhere considering his talent and how much money he brings to the table. Stroll has had a rough few weeks with Covid and some DNF's that weren't his fault. The jury is still out but Perez is in a different league right now.

The Red Bull looks like a difficult car to drive and only Max seems able to tame it. Should Gasly get another shot? He sure is doing well in the AlphaTauri but can he tame the Red Bull? Perez and Max might be a really good pairing but I think Red Bull will be reluctant to give up on their young drivers. Perez at Williams maybe? Russell is their best driver and shows real promise but Latifi brings big bucks. On the other hand, Russell is a Mercedes protege and how much say do they have. The silly season is sillier than usual this year.

If Merc were smart, theyíd ditch Bottas in favour of Russell. Heís a great kid, great driver.  Bottas has proven to be a good wing-man.   Unfortunately, I donít think Merc cares about having a great 2nd driver as long as they get the Constructorís and driverís championships.  They wonít want a great driver until Hamilton retires.  Very conservative, but they have a winning formula.  Look at todayís response to Bottas wanting to to switch to the soft tyre to try and  race Hamilton...  they kiboshed that idea on the pit-wall.

I am still holding out hope for Stroll.  I really hope heíll be a great driver.
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« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2020, 09:38:53 pm »
If Merc were smart, theyíd ditch Bottas in favour of Russell. Heís a great kid, great driver.  Bottas has proven to be a good wing-man.   Unfortunately, I donít think Merc cares about having a great 2nd driver as long as they get the Constructorís and driverís championships.  They wonít want a great driver until Hamilton retires.  Very conservative, but they have a winning formula.  Look at todayís response to Bottas wanting to to switch to the soft tyre t race Hamilton...  they kiboshed that idea on the pit-wall.

I am still holding out hope for Stroll.  I really hope heíll be a great driver.

Bottas is in a tough spot. He is in the same position the team mates of any great driver. Being Hamiltonís or Verstappenís teammate right now is like being Schumacherís teammate back when he was winning five straight. Nico Rosberg was a heck of a driver but he only reason he beat Hamilton in 2016 was Hamilton had some really bad luck. I would like to see Russell at Mercedes though.

I give credit to Bottas for wanting softs, he knew he had to try something different. It means he hadnít given up.
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« Reply #86 on: October 25, 2020, 09:42:17 pm »
Iím looking forward to Ricciardo and Norris being on the same team. They are two of the biggest characters in the sport. Interviews with the two of them together should be fun.
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« Reply #87 on: October 25, 2020, 09:43:31 pm »
Bottas is in a tough spot. He is in the same position the team mates of any great driver. Being Hamiltonís or Verstappenís teammate right now is like being Schumacherís teammate back when he was winning five straight. Nico Rosberg was a heck of a driver but he only reason he beat Hamilton in 2016 was Hamilton had some really bad luck. I would like to see Russell at Mercedes though.

I give credit to Bottas for wanting softs, he knew he had to try something different. It means he hadnít given up.

You forget, Rosberg also raced Hamilton hard enough that he would run into him, or force Hamilton to make mistakes...  Rosberg had no qualms of running Hamilton off the road, if necessary.    HUGE difference in how Rosberg raced him vs Bottas. 

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« Reply #88 on: October 25, 2020, 09:54:20 pm »
You forget, Rosberg also raced Hamilton hard enough that he would run into him, or force Hamilton to make mistakes...  Rosberg had no qualms of running Hamilton off the road, if necessary.    HUGE difference in how Rosberg raced him vs Bottas.

True, they grew up friends but that ended a year or so after they became teammates.
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« Reply #89 on: October 25, 2020, 11:57:27 pm »
Back in the seventies, Edmonton had a road course on the north side of town, Edmonton International Speedway that hosted Can Am and Formula Atlantic races among others. I watched Gilles Villeneuve and Nicoís dad Keke Rosberg race against each other in Formula Atlantic before they made it to F1. It was great, back in the day when you could pull right up beside the track and watch from your car.
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