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« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2020, 04:17:43 pm »
F1ís carbon footprint is only 0.4% from the cars themselves.  Most of it comes from the transportation of all the cars/equipment to the tracks around the world.

THey have a plan to go carbon neutral, apparently...  would that satisfy your need for less emissions Montgomery?

And to say that auto racing, in particular F1 is a ďright-wingĒ sport as if that somehow detracts from its value is asinine.  As long as the racing is entertaining, I donít really care about the political stance of the people watching, or participating. 
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« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2020, 04:40:25 pm »
We're getting the number of posts up on this board considerably now.

Less so than auto racing because the exorbitant waste of petroleum based fuels is an insult to the science of climate change. At least golf does it in an inactive sense by turning treed spaces into huge lawns.

The amount of chemicals required to achieve that distressing metamorphosis is a good enough reason to see the sport banned for all.
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« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2020, 06:23:30 pm »
We're getting the number of posts up on this board considerably now.

Less so than auto racing because the exorbitant waste of petroleum based fuels is an insult to the science of climate change. At least golf does it in an inactive sense by turning treed spaces into huge lawns.

F1 powerplants are the most efficient ICE systems in existence, over 50% thermal efficiency. If you drive a car, it is probably less than 30% efficient. F1's plan is to transition to synthetic fuels derived from recaptured CO2 combined with hydrogen.

As far as other emissions are concerned, they are probably less for 22 events a year than they are for hockey, basketball or baseball leagues playing over 80 games a year.

PS. There are 31 NHL teams that play 80 regular season games a year. That's 1240 games a year that involved an away team travelling to each one of them.

Plus playoffs.
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« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2020, 12:23:56 pm »
F1 powerplants are the most efficient ICE systems in existence, over 50% thermal efficiency. If you drive a car, it is probably less than 30% efficient. F1's plan is to transition to synthetic fuels derived from recaptured CO2 combined with hydrogen.

As far as other emissions are concerned, they are probably less for 22 events a year than they are for hockey, basketball or baseball leagues playing over 80 games a year.

PS. There are 31 NHL teams that play 80 regular season games a year. That's 1240 games a year that involved an away team travelling to each one of them.

Plus playoffs.

You're just trying to dodge the issue. That's not something I'm going to spend time debated with you because I see it wouldn't be worth the effort.


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« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2020, 12:55:44 pm »


What issue am I dodging? I have pointed out to you that F1 is at the leading edge of technology with by far the most thermally efficient ICE powerplants in existence, with the intention of running them on synthetic carbon neutral fuels in the near future. I have also pointed out that because of the limited number of events it is likely much more carbon friendly than many other professional sports. You can put the entire F1 circus on a single 747 freighter to move it anywhere in the world for a race. All ten teams are located in three European countries, six of them in the UK so it ls not like they are coming from all over.

If you have an issue with facts, that's your problem, not mine.

There are many sports that don't particularly interest me and some that I just don't like but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist, or that others shouldn't be allowed to enjoy them.
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« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2020, 03:00:55 pm »

What issue am I dodging? I have pointed out to you that F1 is at the leading edge of technology with by far the most thermally efficient ICE powerplants in existence, with the intention of running them on synthetic carbon neutral fuels in the near future. I have also pointed out that because of the limited number of events it is likely much more carbon friendly than many other professional sports. You can put the entire F1 circus on a single 747 freighter to move it anywhere in the world for a race. All ten teams are located in three European countries, six of them in the UK so it ls not like they are coming from all over.

If you have an issue with facts, that's your problem, not mine.

There are many sports that don't particularly interest me and some that I just don't like but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist, or that others shouldn't be allowed to enjoy them.

Wilburrr, not burning fossil fuels for sport is always going to be more environmentally friendly than burning them in any manner. But otherwise I agree that they are clean burning engines because of efficiency/weight concerns.

However, I have offered up golf as being an environmentallly unfriendly sport as a runner-up to car racing. A clever person could maybe even turn that into the worst sport from an environmentally friendly POV.

But first of all, do you believe in climate change science? I think that most who love car racing probably don't!
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« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2020, 03:07:38 pm »
But first of all, do you believe in climate change science? I think that most who love car racing probably don't!

What a ridiculous comment.  Please provide some evidence for this.

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« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2020, 06:26:44 pm »
Wilburrr, not burning fossil fuels for sport is always going to be more environmentally friendly than burning them in any manner. But otherwise I agree that they are clean burning engines because of efficiency/weight concerns.

However, I have offered up golf as being an environmentallly unfriendly sport as a runner-up to car racing. A clever person could maybe even turn that into the worst sport from an environmentally friendly POV.

But first of all, do you believe in climate change science? I think that most who love car racing probably don't!

!240 NHL games are played by visiting NHL teams every year. Those teams don't fly commercial, they use charters so that is 1240 extra flights a year to play NHL hockey. That also goes for major league football, baseball and basketball teams. Don't give me a bunch of bullshit about emissions from 20 cars doing 22 under two hour races a year. 20 cars with the most efficient hybrid systems in existence.

Do you believe in climate change science or not?
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Re: Auto Racing
« Reply #68 on: October 05, 2020, 07:12:48 pm »
!240 NHL games are played by visiting NHL teams every year. Those teams don't fly commercial, they use charters so that is 1240 extra flights a year to play NHL hockey. That also goes for major league football, baseball and basketball teams. Don't give me a bunch of bullshit about emissions from 20 cars doing 22 under two hour races a year. 20 cars with the most efficient hybrid systems in existence.

Do you believe in climate change science or not?

Then the NHL isn't environmentally friendly either, if you like? And yes, I believe in AGW but do you?
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« Reply #69 on: October 05, 2020, 08:13:50 pm »
Then the NHL isn't environmentally friendly either, if you like? And yes, I believe in AGW but do you?

Sure I do but there are far more environmentally unfriendly sports than F1 racing, why don't you want to ban those too?
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« Reply #70 on: October 05, 2020, 08:20:50 pm »
Trying to think of a more boring topic.
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« Reply #71 on: October 05, 2020, 08:34:41 pm »
Trying to think of a more boring topic.
Ya well, your obsession with Trump can get a little old too.
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Re: Auto Racing
« Reply #72 on: October 06, 2020, 12:15:08 pm »
Ya well, your obsession with Trump can get a little old too.

It's car racing in general that's the problem but it's small enough to be less significant than many other sports. It's more to do with the image of waste that it portrays to the world.

That's the factor that will lead to it's downfall. Probably already is, compared to what it was!
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« Reply #73 on: October 06, 2020, 12:43:56 pm »
It's car racing in general that's the problem but it's small enough to be less significant than many other sports. It's more to do with the image of waste that it portrays to the world.

That's the factor that will lead to it's downfall. Probably already is, compared to what it was!

Formula 1 is extremely popular world-wide.  It gets Super Bowl-like TV audience worldwide every week or two for each race. 

471 million viewers on TV in 2019.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/480129/cable-or-broadcast-tv-networks-formula-one-f1-racing-watched-within-the-last-12-months-usa/

F1 Will change with the times....   itís technology has always trickled down to road cars, at least somewhat.  It will eventually change to EV probably....   or perhaps another renewable fuel that still makes a lot of noise through an ICE.  Auto racing will always be around, even if folks like yourself donít care for it.

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« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2020, 12:56:19 pm »
It's car racing in general that's the problem but it's small enough to be less significant than many other sports. It's more to do with the image of waste that it portrays to the world.

That's the factor that will lead to it's downfall. Probably already is, compared to what it was!


So you are about image, not reality?



You don't like golf but golf courses have the same environmental impact as an urban park and many of them are in urban areas. Would it be better to convert them all into more housing and commercial properties?

Skiing. How many thousands of hectares of forrest are cut down to provide ski runs in remote areas that can only be accessed by motor vehicles?

There are many sports that don't directly use fossil fuels which have bigger carbon footprints.

The world wide TV audience for F1 in 2019 was 1.9 billion people with 471 million unique viewers. Their social media followers were up 32% and their app had over 700 million views. 62% of new fans were under 35.

Racing will be popular as long as people drive their own vehicles. Face it, people will race anything, even lawnmowers.  Formula E is also gaining popularity and will continue to do so as more people buy EV's but battery technology doesn't yet allow hybrid or ICE performance over anything other than short races. All except two of its races are on street circuits, not proper race tracks.

I do agree that the more old school types of racing such as NASCAR and Indy Car will need to embrace new technologies to remain relevant.

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