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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2019, 10:34:24 pm »
And yet photos I have seen of he Max cockpit show the same cut-out switches and manual trim wheels as the older versions.

Apparently not.

Boeing didn't tell airline pilots about features of a new flight-control system in its 737 Max that reportedly is a focus of the investigation into last month's deadly crash in Indonesia, according to pilots who fly the jet in the U.S.

Pilots say they were not trained in new features of an anti-stall system in the aircraft that differ from previous models of the popular 737.

The automated system is designed to help pilots avoid raising the plane's nose too high, which can cause the plane to stall, or lose the aerodynamic lift needed to keep flying. The system automatically pushes the nose of the plane down.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2018/11/14/pilots-says-boeing-didnt-disclose-new-control-feature-737-max/2001713002/

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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2019, 12:04:37 am »
Interesting. If you have a GPWS warning and ground contact is a factor, it is procedure to climb at stick shaker threshold until you are out of danger. The aircraft would still need the capability to do that. Too much we don't know about this system.
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2019, 12:24:57 am »
Interesting. If you have a GPWS warning and ground contact is a factor, it is procedure to climb at stick shaker threshold until you are out of danger. The aircraft would still need the capability to do that. Too much we don't know about this system.

Yes you would think a GPWS should be able to over ride something like an auto trim, however it could be the vertical velocity and ground proximity were so high and so close there was not time for an effectrive recovery. I wanna see what those blk boxes have to say for sure.

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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2019, 12:06:04 pm »
I hear they have found both black boxes from the Ethiopian Airlines crash so hopefully they are in good enough shapes to reveal what exactly went wrong. I note that both air Canada and Westjet who operate this aircraft type are continuing to fly them while a number of other airlines are grounding them for the time being. 

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« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2019, 11:21:54 am »
Just heard that the UK, France and Germany have all banned the Max8 from their airspace. That's won't be good for business.

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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2019, 02:38:33 pm »
Would YOu get aboard a Boeing Max 8?

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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2019, 05:05:42 pm »
Would YOu get aboard a Boeing Max 8?

Not at the moment, just like I avoided DC-10's in the 70's. Eventually however they will figure out if there is something that needs to be corrected, and do it.

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2019, 05:11:00 pm »
Not at the moment, just like I avoided DC-10's in the 70's. Eventually however they will figure out if there is something that needs to be corrected, and do it.

Yeah the 737 airframe has been around for many years and has a great record. Looks like they went a little overboard with the software. Maybe because the airlines could save money if they replaced pilots with computers. If that's the case it backfired big time.

I'll bet there are some serious meetings going on at Boeing HQ just now.
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« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2019, 07:13:17 pm »
Would YOu get aboard a Boeing Max 8?
Based on what I see so far, yes.
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« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2019, 08:49:11 pm »
Based on what I see so far, yes.

Hey, Donald Trump says those planes too complicated. Now he should know right?
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« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2019, 09:20:38 pm »
Hey, Donald Trump says those planes too complicated. Now he should know right?
He has a 757 so he must be an expert.
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« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2019, 09:31:20 pm »
He has a 757 so he must be an expert.

And probably shares in Boeing so sales must proceed regardless. He'll of course stick with AF One.

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« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2019, 01:15:27 am »
He has a 757 so he must be an expert.
He would have been a very very great Air Force pilot, if it wasn't for those darned bone spurs.

He's an expert on everything!  Here he is lecturing a US Navy sailor about the aircraft carrier catapult system:

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"You know the catapult is quite important. So I said, 'What is this?' 'Sir, this is our digital catapult system.' He said, 'Well, we're going to this because we wanted to keep up with modern [technology].' I said, 'You don't use steam anymore for catapult?' 'No sir.' I said, 'Ah, how is it working?' 'Sir, not good. Not good. Doesn't have the power. You know the steam is just brutal. You see that sucker going, and steam's going all over the place. There's planes thrown in the air.'

"It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it's very complicated; you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said, 'What system are you going to be ' 'Sir, we're staying with digital.' I said, 'No you're not. You're going to goddamned steam. The digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money, and it's no good.'"

A very smart man, bigly bigly educated about the nuclear and the steam and the digital, and also the cyber, very smart, very very knowledgeable, a very stable genius.

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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2019, 11:46:04 am »
I have a 737 for sale-CHEAP! Just bring a towbar with you to get it home.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/garneau-boeing-ethiopia-crash-1.5054234

Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8, bans jet from airspace following fatal crash
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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2019, 12:20:11 pm »
He would have been a very very great Air Force pilot, if it wasn't for those darned bone spurs.

He's an expert on everything!  Here he is lecturing a US Navy sailor about the aircraft carrier catapult system:

A very smart man, bigly bigly educated about the nuclear and the steam and the digital, and also the cyber, very smart, very very knowledgeable, a very stable genius.

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Well the electromagnetic systems have been problematic and it's not like they don't have a supply of steam as it is used to power the ship. If he knew the Brits first used steam turbines to power ships and also invented the steam catapult, he would probably be against those as well.
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