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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #60 on: October 18, 2022, 09:21:05 pm »
If they wanted a pride mural, they should have just come out and said so.

Do you p!ss and sh!t yourself when you see a rainbow in the sky after a storm too, you fuckin dork?

And why is it the losers who cry about cancel culture are the ones at the forefront of this stuff?
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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2022, 09:39:42 pm »
House Republicans introduced a bill that would "prohibit the use of Federal funds to develop, implement, facilitate, or fund any sexually-oriented program, event, or literature for children under the age of 10, and for other purposes." And I gotta say, it's almost refreshing to see them go completely mask off.

In the bill, they literally put "any topic involving gender identity, gender dysphoria, transgenderism, sexual orientation, or related subjects" on the same level as "any depiction, description, or simulation of sexual activity, any lewd or lascivious depiction or description of human genitals". To these freaks, a kid's book like "Heather has Two Mommies" is the same as showing kids pictures of two people f*cking.

Whatever plausible deniability they might have had with the whole "oh we're just protecting kids from age inappropriate and explicit material" is gone, but they're clearly pretty comfortable with openly being the Westboro Baptist Church party.

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2022, 09:47:46 pm »
Christian nutjobs going old school nutjob.
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« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2022, 10:32:01 am »
Christian nutjobs going old school nutjob.

Wild to see them take the gay panic, the Satanic panic and the various urban legends (remember "rainbow parties"?) and mush them together into some kind of unified theory of batshit.

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2022, 04:53:44 pm »
When they tell you who they are, believe them:

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The left will only stop when conservatives stop them, which means conservatives will have to discard outdated and irrelevant notions about “small government.” The government will have to become, in the hands of conservatives, an instrument of renewal in American life — and in some cases, a blunt instrument indeed.

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To stop Big Tech, for example, will require using antitrust powers to break up the largest Silicon Valley firms. To stop universities from spreading poisonous ideologies will require state legislatures to starve them of public funds. To stop the disintegration of the family might require reversing the travesty of no-fault divorce, combined with generous subsidies for families with small children. Conservatives need not shy away from making these arguments because they betray some cherished libertarian fantasy about free markets and small government. It is time to clear our minds of cant.

In other contexts, wielding government power will mean a dramatic expansion of the criminal code. It will not be enough, for example, to reach an accommodation with the abortion regime, to agree on “reasonable limits” on when unborn human life can be snuffed out with impunity. As Abraham Lincoln once said of slavery, we must become all one thing or all the other. The Dobbs decision was in a sense the end of the beginning of the pro-life cause. Now comes the real fight, in state houses across the country, to outlaw completely the barbaric practice of killing the unborn.

Conservatives had better be ready for it, and Republican politicians, if they want to stay in office, had better have an answer ready when they are asked what reasonable limits to abortion restrictions they would support. The answer is: none, for the same reason they would not support reasonable limits to restrictions on premeditated murder.

On the transgender question, conservatives will have to repudiate utterly the cowardly position of people like David French, in whose malformed worldview Drag Queen Story Hour at a taxpayer-funded library is a “blessing of liberty.” Conservatives need to get comfortable saying in reply to people like French that Drag Queen Story Hour should be outlawed; that parents who take their kids to drag shows should be arrested and charged with child abuse; that doctors who perform so-called “gender-affirming” interventions should be thrown in prison and have their medical licenses revoked; and that teachers who expose their students to sexually explicit material should not just be fired but be criminally prosecuted.

It's all in there: the evocation of a glorious (and almost certainly mythical) past, the prevailing sense of victimhood, the anti-intellectualism, the restoration of the patriarchal family, using the power of the state to purge society of "deviant" sexual minorities...it's fascism, plain and simple.
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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #65 on: October 21, 2022, 12:33:43 am »
When they tell you who they are, believe them:

It's all in there: the evocation of a glorious (and almost certainly mythical) past, the prevailing sense of victimhood, the anti-intellectualism, the restoration of the patriarchal family, using the power of the state to purge society of "deviant" sexual minorities...it's fascism, plain and simple.

I understand some of his complaints but using the power of the state like he wants is nutty.
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« Reply #66 on: October 21, 2022, 10:05:58 am »
I understand some of his complaints but using the power of the state like he wants is nutty.

However superficially appealing some of those ideas might be (eg breaking up tech and other monopolies and increasing support for families could be from Bernie Sanders' platform) what needs to be kept in mind is that, for these types, the fruits of liberty and civil society are only there for the enjoyment of some people, while the rest get the iron fist of the state. These people fundamentally hate democracy, the concept of pluralism and America itself.
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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #67 on: October 21, 2022, 01:41:39 pm »
However superficially appealing some of those ideas might be (eg breaking up tech and other monopolies and increasing support for families could be from Bernie Sanders' platform) what needs to be kept in mind is that, for these types, the fruits of liberty and civil society are only there for the enjoyment of some people, while the rest get the iron fist of the state. These people fundamentally hate democracy, the concept of pluralism and America itself.

True enough.  The culture war has made a lot of people desperate to use any power they have in order ram their beliefs down everyone's throats.
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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #68 on: October 21, 2022, 03:39:35 pm »
But when you look at what is being discussed, it really comes down chiefly to trans rights.

Why ?  Because the great swath of common people can't relate to this social group and don't understand why their plight is prioritized. Sure there are some policies that SOUND wacky and some things that policy makers - out of touch at the best of times - say and do that make you wonder.

But are trans rights prioritized or just being slowly enhanced as it comes ?  It's so difficult to discuss these issues because each test case is so volatile.

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Can we at least create a separate area of discussion around these matters and allow people who want to discuss them to do so... while looking at issues that affect every working person:

-Wages
-Prices
-Social safety net

I don't see why we can't do that.  I think the biggest fear from the right is that we come around to those discussions and start working on economic fairness, and a true meritocracy that rewards work and innovation.


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« Reply #69 on: October 21, 2022, 04:35:00 pm »
But when you look at what is being discussed, it really comes down chiefly to trans rights.

Why ?  Because the great swath of common people can't relate to this social group and don't understand why their plight is prioritized. Sure there are some policies that SOUND wacky and some things that policy makers - out of touch at the best of times - say and do that make you wonder.

But are trans rights prioritized or just being slowly enhanced as it comes ?  It's so difficult to discuss these issues because each test case is so volatile.

I disagree. Trans rights might be the flashpoint, but their enemies list is bigger than that. It's all LGBTQ+ people (look at how they target "sexual orientation" in their various Don't Say Gay bills). It's women (abortion). It's racial minorities (voting rights, "crime/law and order").

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Can we at least create a separate area of discussion around these matters and allow people who want to discuss them to do so... while looking at issues that affect every working person:

-Wages
-Prices
-Social safety net

I don't see why we can't do that.  I think the biggest fear from the right is that we come around to those discussions and start working on economic fairness, and a true meritocracy that rewards work and innovation.

I do. The right wing has a massive propaganda apparatus that is designed to keep the working class at each others' throats while the rich pick their pockets.

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #70 on: October 21, 2022, 09:55:31 pm »
Are they so powerful that we can't even suggest it?

They may be against all those groups but they use Trans rights as a weapon and fire up their base with this issue.

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #71 on: October 21, 2022, 10:25:38 pm »
Freedom! Bodily autonomy!

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2022, 06:16:30 am »
What exactly are so-called trans rights?  Is it a right of a biological male to wrestle a biological female?  Is it a right for biological males to change with biological women?  Is it a right for biological males to take spots on sports teams of biological women?  Is it for biological men to wear gigantic fake breasts while they teach children?  What exactly are these “rights”?

The rights are newly established in law, so they will have to be worked out.

But as I said... There can be a body of discussion on such things.  And they can be discussed without being shreiked about.

And we can also talk about wages, costs, social safety net...

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #73 on: October 23, 2022, 11:08:36 am »
But as I said... There can be a body of discussion on such things.  And they can be discussed without being shreiked about.

Not on this forum.
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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #74 on: October 23, 2022, 11:34:56 am »
Are they so powerful that we can't even suggest it?

Suggest what?

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They may be against all those groups but they use Trans rights as a weapon and fire up their base with this issue.

It's the panic du jour for sure, but they were saying literally the same stuff about gay people a decade or so ago.