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I've heard that a lot of parents banned "Caillou" because it makes them want to commit homicide.

 -k

And Montgomery Blackface over there would say those people are promoting hatred against bald people.

I have arrived at a framework wherein I can tolerate intolerance under the umbrella of tolerance.

I was going to explain what that meant, but I should pause for people to make fun of me here.

And by "people" I mean all of you. 

Why?  This seems like a perfectly reasonable view.  I think we should tolerate different viewpoints.  Actions I guess are different, it depends on their impact.

So we should tolerate virulent racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, misogyny etc as long as no one is taking actions?

The most extreme hateful views, especially going after groups then no.  Harassment and threats and clearly illegal stuff, no.  Most everything else whatevs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAevTkd11sM

An example.

Once at Burning Man, a witnessed two nice couples having a conversation, mid-day, with drinks, in a nice and large shaded tent area.

It went something like this:

"Too bad Briana and Dan couldn't make it this year."
"Well, it was for good reasons"
"Really ?"
"Yeah - Briana had a baby in July !"

Now at this point - a fifth individual, whom I knew, but the conversants did not, jumped into the circle.  And he was a large crazy wild-eyed looking man, and indeed was off his meds and wearing only a tutu with a horrible layer of dirty grime on him.

"HER **** WON'T WORK PROPERLY FOR A LONG TIME THEN !!!" he screamed.

Question: should his speech be tolerated ?

An example.

Once at Burning Man, a witnessed two nice couples having a conversation, mid-day, with drinks, in a nice and large shaded tent area.

It went something like this:

"Too bad Briana and Dan couldn't make it this year."
"Well, it was for good reasons"
"Really ?"
"Yeah - Briana had a baby in July !"

Now at this point - a fifth individual, whom I knew, but the conversants did not, jumped into the circle.  And he was a large crazy wild-eyed looking man, and indeed was off his meds and wearing only a tutu with a horrible layer of dirty grime on him.

"HER **** WON'T WORK PROPERLY FOR A LONG TIME THEN !!!" he screamed.

Question: should his speech be tolerated ?

Depends what you mean by "tolerate".  Their comment was to my tastes rude and socially inappropriate.  However, they are free to say it and you're free to say its rude.  They don't say much different on South Park.

I'm more talking about viewpoints rather than emotional hate, crudeness etc.  Tolerating all viewpoints vs tolerating all speech seems different

Depends what you mean by "tolerate".  Their comment was to my tastes rude and socially inappropriate.  However, they are free to say it and you're free to say its rude.  They don't say much different on South Park.

They're free to say it, and we're free to ostracize them and marginalize them if we find it necessary. 

South Park is satire and meant to be funny and irreverant,

I'm more talking about viewpoints rather than emotional hate, crudeness etc.  Tolerating all viewpoints vs tolerating all speech seems different

I don't think there's much distinguishing one from the other. 

So define what you mean by "tolerate."

Well i can think of 2 main definitions of "tolerate":

1.  Find the words socially acceptable to not socially reprimand the speaker (tell them they are a jerk, or not talking to the person anymore etc.  ie: what people do on this forum)

2.  Not taking coercive actions to silence the speech (ie: banning the person on whatever platform they speak the words, government fines, firing them from their jobs etc, ie what moderators do on MLW forum).

#2 is much more serious than #1 obviously.  My guess is MH is talking about #2 mostly.  I think #1 is fair game I guess, and #2 should err on the side of free speech.  For example, this forum has essentially no rules and the sky hasn't fallen.  Spam is deleted, but that's not really "a viewpoint" its just spam that clogs up the actual expression of viewpoints.  We are all free to criticize, ignore, or engage with whatever we want because we're adults and we don't have to use a club of coercion if our feelings are hurt.   Unless you're a man-baby like squid.