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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #165 on: January 17, 2023, 06:44:56 pm »
What i'd like to know is if this teacher could wear this boobed contraption if they covered up the nipples and maintained tasteful cleavage?  You can't discriminate against a trans person based on boob size can you?

I still think this shop teacher is trolling.  A shop teacher seems much more likely to troll trans rights than exercise trans rights.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #166 on: January 17, 2023, 07:07:13 pm »
The weird thing is if he's trolling, he's getting death threats from his own kind.

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« Reply #167 on: January 17, 2023, 07:22:23 pm »
Winner!  Or a Trump t-shirt, or a Make America Great Again hat.  And the Douche defending this lunacy would suddenly be arguing the opposite side.  He’s a caricature of what a left wing, woke lunatic sh*t bag would act like.

Come now, Shady.  Thanks for your support and all that, but we've argued about Trump long enough for you to know what you can do with the T-Shirt and hat.

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« Reply #168 on: January 18, 2023, 08:57:30 am »
I bet they'd have come up with a policy pretty quickly if he'd worn a swastika over those t!ts.

Right!? Or even if he insisted on showing up in a furry costume.  The fact that he's cross-dressing, I'm betting, was what cowed the school board, thinking it was too radioactive to touch. 

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #169 on: January 18, 2023, 09:01:12 am »
What i'd like to know is if this teacher could wear this boobed contraption if they covered up the nipples and maintained tasteful cleavage?  You can't discriminate against a trans person based on boob size can you?

I don't think it matters.  The only people who have boobs this big in the real world are 500+ pounds and can't leave their house.  If you can have rules on hairstyles or facial hair, you can have rules on comic-sized prosthetics and implants.   

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« Reply #170 on: January 18, 2023, 09:30:50 am »
Common sense and reasonable expectations are applied and enforced regularly in legal settings. It's the one of the fundamental pillars for our legal system.  I can only imagine how eager the union lawyers would be to try to push this sort of clown case.  The employment tribunal would flop on its face as well, with it being near-impossible to form a coherent defense for someone wearing comic, completely impractical and no-doubt uncomfortable prosthetic breasts in the classroom.  "YOU NEVER SAID I COULDN'T" would not fly as a legal argument. You don't get to do whatever you please because there aren't codified regulations against it.   If you're doing something obviously stupid/inappropriate, a reasonable person would assume it's not allowed and that's good enough for the Courts.  Human creativity outstrips its ability to write down specific rules. 

Actually in the absence of policy, that would fly. Setting the scope of what is permissible is why policies exist because just assuming everyone has the same idea of what's reasonable is a foolish.

You don't need to have a policy.  You can't have a policy for everything.  This is a bad argument, and one that doesn't seem to understand how our legal system works.   

It's pretty simple. You cannot enforce a dress code that does not exist.

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Courts regularly toss these sorts of flimsy attempts at technical nitpicking.  "You never told me I couldn't do it" or "The contract didn't say I had to ____" or even, "You bought what you saw" are not sound legal arguments.  If you are subverting the spirit of your agreement and violating unspoken terms that both parties would have reasonably assumed as rational human beings, you lose.  That happens all the time in the courtroom.   

Let's see some examples then.

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #171 on: January 18, 2023, 09:33:01 am »
Winner!  Or a Trump t-shirt, or a Make America Great Again hat.  And the Douche defending this lunacy would suddenly be arguing the opposite side.  He’s a caricature of what a left wing, woke lunatic sh*t bag would act like.

Well, retard,  political beliefs, unlike gender identity, are not a protected class under the charter. How are you possibly so dumb?
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« Reply #172 on: January 18, 2023, 09:40:43 am »
Well, retard,  political beliefs, unlike gender identity, are not protected under the charter. How are you possibly so dumb?

How are you saying this, while apparently knowing nothing about the Charter or our legal system?    :-[

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« Reply #173 on: January 18, 2023, 09:59:59 am »
How are you saying this, while apparently knowing nothing about the Charter or our legal system?    :-[

What specifically am I missing? Are you unaware the gender identity angle the troll in question was using to complicate the boobs case?

Also here you are, making it clear that yes, sometime you need actual rules:

If you can have rules on hairstyles or facial hair, you can have rules on comic-sized prosthetics and implants.   

And here I thought written rules were unnecessary.
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« Reply #174 on: January 18, 2023, 10:08:47 am »
Right!? Or even if he insisted on showing up in a furry costume.  The fact that he's cross-dressing, I'm betting, was what cowed the school board, thinking it was too radioactive to touch. 

Yes that was indeed the entire point of the troll.

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« Reply #175 on: January 18, 2023, 11:12:26 am »
What specifically am I missing?

That your political beliefs are protected by the Charter, and that you can't be discriminated against on that basis (within reason).   

Are you unaware the gender identity angle the troll in question was using to complicate the boobs case?

Not sure, but I don't think calling him things like a retarded jizz mop is helpful.  I've known Shady as a poster for probably 15 years.  You can respond to his trolling with better than that.   

Also here you are, making it clear that yes, sometime you need actual rules:

And here I thought written rules were unnecessary.

The question I responded to was whether it was possible to make a rule on this, not whether the rule was necessary.  Try again. 

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« Reply #176 on: January 18, 2023, 11:36:00 am »
Winner!  Or a Trump t-shirt, or a Make America Great Again hat.  And the Douche defending this lunacy would suddenly be arguing the opposite side.  He’s a caricature of what a left wing, woke lunatic sh*t bag would act like.

I just re-read this and I realise what you were saying.  I originally misread your "Or" as "Of".

Sorry about that.

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« Reply #177 on: January 18, 2023, 11:41:36 am »
That your political beliefs are protected by the Charter, and that you can't be discriminated against on that basis (within reason).   

They are protected under freedom of expression but I suspect you could, depending on the circumstances, get fired for displaying political messaging if your employer has a policy against that sort of thing.

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Not sure, but I don't think calling him things like a retarded jizz mop is helpful. I've known Shady as a poster for probably 15 years. You can respond to his trolling with better than that.   

I have too which is why I know that calling him a retarded jizzmop is actually far too kind.

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The question I responded to was whether it was possible to make a rule on this, not whether the rule was necessary.  Try again.

So basically, you can make rules but you don't need to because everyone already knows the rules.

Anyway I'd love to see some examples of someone getting fired for violating a non-existent policy and that firing being upheld on the basis of "they should have known". And I'm not talking about obviously illegal stuff.

Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #178 on: January 18, 2023, 11:56:50 am »
We need to also ask about the legal precedence.

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Re: Anti-woke culture
« Reply #179 on: January 18, 2023, 01:25:16 pm »
They are protected under freedom of expression but I suspect you could, depending on the circumstances, get fired for displaying political messaging if your employer has a policy against that sort of thing. 

Absolutely you could, because Section 1 of the Charter has primacy over all the others. 

I have too which is why I know that calling him a retarded jizzmop is actually far too kind.

I've moved here from the old MLW (or re: politics) because of the hysterical donkeys that had taken over there.  Even they manage to avoid talking like this. 

So basically, you can make rules but you don't need to because everyone already knows the rules.

It means "there's no explicit rule against that" isn't much of legal defense, and that almost every competently written legal contract or employment agreement has deliberately vague and general clauses included to protect against creative breaches that violate the spirit of your agreement or impose unreasonable expectations. 

Anyway I'd love to see some examples of someone getting fired for violating a non-existent policy and that firing being upheld on the basis of "they should have known". And I'm not talking about obviously illegal stuff.

Take any instance where someone was fired for their social media behavior, or for telling offending someone with jokes/language in the workplace.  The policy for distasteful jokes won't exist.  It will fall into a broad/vague category heavily subject to interpretation.  In Ontario, you can be fired just for your boss not liking you, and all that entitles you to is some severance.