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Offline Pinus or Vid or...?????

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UPDATE: The Winnipeg-based Jewish Post & News has come out with an interesting article, suggesting this may have not been a hate crime after all:

http://jewishpostandnews.ca/local/2867-many-puzzling-aspects-to-what-happened-at-bermax-caffe-that-suggest-it-might-not-have-been-a-hate-crime

"While the police have characterized this most recent incident as a "hate crime", the possibility exists, however, that something else is behind the spate of vandalism at BerMax. We are not going to disclose the information that would lead us to suggest something else may be afoot, but we would like to remind readers that in 2017, Jewish community centres throughout the United States were put on high alert by threats arriving over the internet. It turned out that the threats were all coming from a teenaged American boy living in Israel."

Judging by the article, it seems to imply this may have been an inside job....
« Last Edit: April 22, 2019, 03:07:06 pm by Vid »
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Yes, turns out it was staged by the restaurant owners. They were arrested today.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bermax-winnipeg-antisemitic-arrest-1.5109224
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What a bunch of morons.

Maybe a publicity stunt like that Chicago actor.
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One would think this should be bad for business, but, you never know these days.
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Yes, turns out it was staged by the restaurant owners. They were arrested today.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bermax-winnipeg-antisemitic-arrest-1.5109224

What is worse, is they set up a "GoFundMe" site for the attack to raise money for the cleanup.  The problem is, they created the page on March 20, a full month before the alleged attack, and even changed the reason why the GoFundMe page was set up in the first place.
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One would think this should be bad for business, but, you never know these days.

The Winnipeg Jewish community is a close-knit group.  They will become pariahs, and this will kill their business.
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What is worse, is they set up a "GoFundMe" site for the attack to raise money for the cleanup.  The problem is, they created the page on March 20, a full month before the alleged attack, and even changed the reason why the GoFundMe page was set up in the first place.
I think this was the fifth attack they had reported in the past year, which is probably what made the police suspicious. No other Jewish businesses or synagogues were targeted and there wasn't any other Nazi graffiti in the city other than in their business.
Some people are too stupid to realize they're too stupid to pull something like that off.

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"Alexander Berent, 56, OxanaBerent, 48, and Maxim Berent, 29, have all been charged with public mischief and were released after being arrested, police say. They are slated to appear in court in May.

Oxana Berent said she would never invent a story about an anti-Semitic crime, given her family's experiences.

"My grandmother's family, they died in the Holocaust. Just her and her little brother survived, the whole family. We don't joke about that," she said, through tears."


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bermax-winnipeg-antisemitic-arrest-1.5109224
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So what? Stop using the Holocaust to justify your sick actions. These people have no scruples.
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Seems the number of fake hate crime reports exceeds the actual number of hate crimes.
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Seems the number of fake hate crime reports exceeds the actual number of hate crimes.

We'll all get our popcorn ready to hear you try to back that ONE up.
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We'll all get our popcorn ready to hear you try to back that ONE up.

For sure. 

And with all the safe #metoo accusations maybe sexual assault isn't even a "thing" ? #darksarcasm

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For sure. 
And with all the safe #metoo accusations maybe sexual assault isn't even a "thing" ? #darksarcasm
People faking hate crimes *is* a real thing and these fakes distort our perception on the prevalence of the problem even though some subset of the crimes are real. What also has to be noted is many hate crimes are committed by unknown people who are never caught (i.e. knocking over grave stones at a Jewish cemetery). For these examples is simply wrong to say that they are "real" hate crimes because we have no way to know.

Also, note the use of the "seems" in my statement which should have made it clear I was suggesting perception and not making a comment on fact. More importantly, out the 3 hate crimes that have been reported widely in the news recently (Winnipeg cafe, Smolette and NZ) 2 were fake which should be enough for anyone to be concerned about fake hate crimes. The fact that Trudeau is flogging the perceived problem for partisan political purposes should also be a concern because it creates incentives for partisans to exaggerate the problem.

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People faking hate crimes *is* a real thing and these fakes distort our perception on the prevalence of the problem even though some subset of the crimes are real. What also has to be noted is many hate crimes are committed by unknown people who are never caught (i.e. knocking over grave stones at a Jewish cemetery). For these examples is simply wrong to say that they are "real" hate crimes because we have no way to know.

Also, note the use of the "seems" in my statement which should have made it clear I was suggesting perception and not making a comment on fact. More importantly, out the 3 hate crimes that have been reported widely in the news recently (Winnipeg cafe, Smolette and NZ) 2 were fake which should be enough for anyone to be concerned about fake hate crimes. The fact that Trudeau is flogging the perceived problem for partisan political purposes should also be a concern because it creates incentives for partisans to exaggerate the problem.

For your edification knocking over gravestones definitely is a crime, and a little bit of logic should tell you specifically picking out a Jewish cemetery would put in within the realm of a hate crime.

I suspect Smollett's attempt at faking a hate crime was in part inspired by the continued increase of actual hate crimes, many based on race. The FBI reports a rise of 17% in hate crimes (real ones) in the States last year. 
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Well being Jewish may I say I am very angry because it now appears this story was fake. The owners appear to have pulled the same shit as that actor. This is not good for true victims. I hope they throw the book at these aholes if it is true they faked a complaint
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