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« Reply #315 on: November 29, 2021, 10:32:08 am »
The new Beatles documentary from Peter Jackson is on Disney+ and I'm about halfway through. I'm a huge Beatles fan, and while the fly-on-the-wall approach Jackson used feels much more intimate than a more didactic one, there's no denying there are large parts that feel like a slog as you watch the band bicker, plunk through half baked song ideas and loaf around shooting the ****. It's not clear exactly why this needed to be more than eight hours long. Perhaps the idea is to strip away the mythology and show how the sausage is made, which is a long and tedious process punctuated by moments of genius like this one.

Anyway, I've hit the part where Billy Preston joins the band on keyboard and things really seem to be picking up so maybe the back half will be stronger.


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« Reply #316 on: November 29, 2021, 10:42:53 am »
1. the fly-on-the-wall approach Jackson used feels much more intimate than a more didactic one, there's no denying there are large parts that feel like a slog as you watch the band bicker, plunk through half baked song ideas and loaf around shooting the ****.

2. Anyway, I've hit the part where Billy Preston joins the band on keyboard and things really seem to be picking up so maybe the back half will be stronger.


1. can you credit Jackson with this since he's using found footage ?
2. did you see Let It Be ?

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« Reply #317 on: November 29, 2021, 12:31:29 pm »
1. can you credit Jackson with this since he's using found footage ?
2. did you see Let It Be ?

1. Why would using previously existing footage matter? Dude combed through 60 hours of footage, restored it and enhanced the audio with the state of the art technology. Took him four years to make! Did you see his WW1 doc "They Shall Not Grow Old?"

2. I have not seen the original in its entirety, just the rooftop concert sequence.

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« Reply #318 on: November 29, 2021, 01:09:50 pm »
1. Why would using previously existing footage matter? Dude combed through 60 hours of footage, restored it and enhanced the audio with the state of the art technology. Took him four years to make! Did you see his WW1 doc "They Shall Not Grow Old?"

2. I have not seen the original in its entirety, just the rooftop concert sequence.

1. I think most 'director' credits involve more.
2. I saw it.  What I am hearing sounds like... that film.

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« Reply #319 on: November 29, 2021, 01:47:47 pm »
1. I think most 'director' credits involve more.

Such as? Does Ken Burns not get credit for not hopping in a time machine?

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2. I saw it.  What I am hearing sounds like... that film.

It's not. In fact, with "Get Back" Jackson specifically set about to offer a counternarrative to the one in Let It Be that the final sessions were completely awful. there's a lot more joy in the footage he found. My big complaint is teh run time.
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« Reply #320 on: November 29, 2021, 02:12:16 pm »
1. Such as? Does Ken Burns not get credit for not hopping in a time machine?

2. It's not. In fact, with "Get Back" Jackson specifically set about to offer a counternarrative to the one in Let It Be that the final sessions were completely awful. there's a lot more joy in the footage he found. My big complaint is teh run time.

1. I haven't seen it, but if there's additional framing, writing and so on, on the scale of a Ken Burns piece then that would make sense.

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« Reply #321 on: November 29, 2021, 02:19:34 pm »
1. I haven't seen it, but if there's additional framing, writing and so on, on the scale of a Ken Burns piece then that would make sense.

I'd say he executes his vision through what footage he chooses to use and not through a ton of postfacto exposition or editorialization. And that's the source of both the charm and the frustration.

I think you're also underrating the technical achievement.
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« Reply #322 on: November 29, 2021, 02:26:40 pm »
I think you're also underrating the technical achievement.

Dude, I can't rate anything or at least I shouldn't.  I'm only asking questions, for which you have provided answers and I thank you.

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Re: All purpose music thread!
« Reply #323 on: November 29, 2021, 08:02:07 pm »
The new Beatles documentary from Peter Jackson is on Disney+ and I'm about halfway through. I'm a huge Beatles fan, and while the fly-on-the-wall approach Jackson used feels much more intimate than a more didactic one, there's no denying there are large parts that feel like a slog as you watch the band bicker, plunk through half baked song ideas and loaf around shooting the ****. It's not clear exactly why this needed to be more than eight hours long. Perhaps the idea is to strip away the mythology and show how the sausage is made, which is a long and tedious process punctuated by moments of genius like this one.

Anyway, I've hit the part where Billy Preston joins the band on keyboard and things really seem to be picking up so maybe the back half will be stronger.

Haven't seen it but i think it's cool to see a band just doing day to day stuff and seeing that they're actual people and also seeing how their creative process works even if it can be sometimes boring.  Footage of Ringo having sex with Yoko would be more fun though.
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« Reply #324 on: December 08, 2021, 08:04:29 pm »
The best part was watching the writing process in action.
The second best was seeing how they interacted. I had no idea John Lennon was such a manic-depressive ADD bipolar type.
The third best was Ringo farting. I wouldn't mind seeing the remaining 48 hours of footage. I've got time.

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Re: All purpose music thread!
« Reply #325 on: December 08, 2021, 08:26:59 pm »
I'm fascinated with people finding songwriting so fascinating. 

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« Reply #326 on: December 08, 2021, 08:53:27 pm »
Isn't it the most elemental creative process? It's mystical in that they are channelled more than written. All songwriters say the same thing about their great works: they have no idea where they came from. Paul McCartney wrote Yesterday in a dream. On writing Stardust, Hoagy Carmichael said "[I felt] that queer sensation that this melody was bigger than me. Maybe I didn’t write it at all.“ 
This sentiment has been shared by Paul Simon and Bob Dylan among others. Songwriting---especoally really good songwriting--is not so much an invention but a celestial discovery.

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« Reply #327 on: December 08, 2021, 08:56:39 pm »
Isn't it the most elemental creative process? It's mystical in that they are channelled more than written. All songwriters say the same thing about their great works: they have no idea where they came from. Paul McCartney wrote Yesterday in a dream. On writing Stardust, Hoagy Carmichael said "[I felt] that queer sensation that this melody was bigger than me. Maybe I didn’t write it at all.“ 
This sentiment has been shared by Paul Simon and Bob Dylan among others. Songwriting---especoally really good songwriting--is not so much an invention but a celestial discovery.


Yes, and I suppose I have to watch it but having been part of the creative process it seems just like (enjoyable) work.  I have an interest in it, I guess, but so many have been fascinated with that aspect.

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Re: All purpose music thread!
« Reply #328 on: December 09, 2021, 12:49:40 am »
I hate the Beetles.

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Re: All purpose music thread!
« Reply #329 on: December 09, 2021, 08:11:28 am »
I hate the Beetles.

In what way ?  Just the music ?  The personas ?  The hype ?