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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2019, 05:25:24 pm »
It's not based on population, but on revenues.  Don't cry to me about being rich in dinosaur bones!!  Wow....    your revenues are through the roof...  how terrible...
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Nonsense, if Ontario had ten times the population you would still be making the same argument.

In 2018 Alberta's energy industry contributed 71.5 billion to Canada's GDP and 22% of its exports. When is that going to sink in?

But hey, let's just keep bad mouthing each other, it is so much easier and fun than dealing with real issues. Pretty soon we will be calling each other deplorables.
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« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2019, 06:22:05 pm »
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Nonsense, if Ontario had ten times the population you would still be making the same argument.

In 2018 Alberta's energy industry contributed 71.5 billion to Canada's GDP and 22% of its exports. When is that going to sink in?

But hey, let's just keep bad mouthing each other, it is so much easier and fun than dealing with real issues. Pretty soon we will be calling each other deplorables.

Yes, it's a large industry and a driver of the economy and of tax revenues paid on the money made are dispersed among Canadians.  If those dinosaur bones were in Manitoba, it would be Manitoba paying more tax.
 What's your point? 

Because they're lucky enough to make huge sums of money from oil, they pay more taxes than other parts of the country....  duh.  Seems kind of obvious.

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« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2019, 06:23:53 pm »
What's the incentive for AB to stay a part of Canada when it pays out so much money to the feds while the RoC sh!ts on them and tries to stifle their oil economy while at the same time collecting free money from their oil economy?  If AB were its own country everyone would live like kings.  They have the lowest taxes in the country.  As a country I assume theyd have among the highest standard of living in the world, one of the highest per-capita income in the world.

We suck wealth from them while giving them the middle finger.  Why wouldn't they be mad?
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« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2019, 06:29:07 pm »
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As a country I assume theyd have among the highest standard of living in the world, one of the highest per-capita income in the world.

duhhhh...   they already do?

Those oilsands are also in a place called Canada.
They can compensate Canada on their way out the door for our oil sands that we agreed to give them in 1930.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2019, 06:39:24 pm »
Yes, it's a large industry and a driver of the economy and of tax revenues paid on the money made are dispersed among Canadians.  If those dinosaur bones were in Manitoba, it would be Manitoba paying more tax.
 What's your point? 

Because they're lucky enough to make huge sums of money from oil, they pay more taxes than other parts of the country....  duh.  Seems kind of obvious.

It's not about paying more taxes, we all pay the same tax rates.
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« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2019, 06:44:33 pm »
duhhhh...   they already do?

Those oilsands are also in a place called Canada.
They can compensate Canada on their way out the door for our oil sands that we agreed to give them in 1930.

**** ya, I want a 30% discount on that car from Ontario because it is built in Canada. Other Canadians should get the same deal on that 2X4 from BC.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2019, 06:46:18 pm »
duhhhh...   they already do?

Those oilsands are also in a place called Canada.
They can compensate Canada on their way out the door for our oil sands that we agreed to give them in 1930.

Squid, how well do you would fare in a BC that was cut off from the RoC by a foreign country?
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« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2019, 06:48:24 pm »
It's not about paying more taxes, we all pay the same tax rates.



No, no...  Alberta pays so much more!!  And it goes to these have-not layabout-provinces who do nothing but spend Alberta's hard-earned money!!   ::)

Alberta makes more...  Alberta pays more...  it's not a sinister plot.  Alberta needs to stop whining ...  they're not a victim.

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While it would be comforting to believe that Alberta is the victim of a sinister Laurentian plot, the fact remains that the province is paying an unfair share of Canada’s tax primarily because it is incredibly rich and incredibly young.

In 2015, Alberta had Canada’s highest median income at $100,300, compared to $80,940 for Canada generally.

Even after the collapse in oil prices, Fort McMurray continues to have the highest individual median incomes in Canada at $76,004.

On the list of richest Canada cities per capita, meanwhile, Calgary and Edmonton occupy the number two and the number three spots (Ottawa is number one).


An Albertan flaunts his wealth. Colleen De Neve/Calgary Herald
All of this means that, like most rich people, Albertans have higher tax bills. It also means that they’re generally less dependent on federal government programs: Less social assistance and fewer GST credits, among others.

According to the Alberta government, only 55.7 per cent of its residents received income from government transfers, compared to 68.9 per cent everywhere else in Canada.

It also helps that Alberta has a long tradition of shipping its old people to Victoria, Kelowna or the Lower Mainland. When a retired Leduc oilman receives a pension cheque at his West Vancouver beach house, it’s registered as a federal transfer to B.C., rather than Alberta.

By last count, Alberta had a median age of 36, making it the youngest province in Canada. This not only means fewer pensions, but less need for healthcare spending.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/of-course-alberta-is-getting-fleeced-by-ottawa-just-not-in-the-way-you-think
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« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2019, 06:49:57 pm »
If Alberta had taken half of what it sent to the RoC in transfers that it didn't get back over the last 30 years, put it in a Heritage Fund compounded at 5% annually, it would be worth over 700 billion today.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2019, 06:51:03 pm »
Squid, how well do you would fare in a BC that was cut off from the RoC by a foreign country?

What makes you think Alberta would keep its borders intact?  Or, if Alberta wants containers going in and oil going out, BC will definitely have access across their shiny new country.  BC will be just fine, thanks for worrying.   ;D

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« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2019, 06:51:32 pm »


No, no...  Alberta pays so much more!!  And it goes to these have-not layabout-provinces who do nothing but spend Alberta's hard-earned money!!   ::)

Alberta makes more...  Alberta pays more...  it's not a sinister plot.  Alberta needs to stop whining ...  they're not a victim.
This country is ****, we sound just like those idiots down south.
I'm done.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2019, 06:52:46 pm »
If Alberta had taken half of what it sent to the RoC in transfers that it didn't get back over the last 30 years, put it in a Heritage Fund compounded at 5% annually, it would be worth over 700 billion today.

Did you not read the article?   There are reasons that fed spending is lower there...  there's no crazy conspiracy. ::)

The fact that Alberta minsmanages oil revenues isn't the fault of RoC.

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« Reply #72 on: October 24, 2019, 06:57:49 pm »
No, seriously squid, I'm done with this bulllshit. National unity my ass, this country is  screwed.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2019, 07:00:52 pm »
If Alberta had taken half of what it sent to the RoC in transfers that it didn't get back over the last 30 years, put it in a Heritage Fund compounded at 5% annually, it would be worth over 700 billion today.

Alberta doesn't send transfers - they simply pay federal taxes.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2019, 07:12:09 pm »
Alberta doesn't send transfers - they simply pay federal taxes.

That's true, it just gets much less of that tax money back compared to other provinces.  It helps subsidize poorer provinces.
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