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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2019, 05:44:27 am »


1. Alberta didn't want the gov't to buy the pipeline, they wanted the pipeline to get built.   
2. And there's Bill 69, the new environmental review process, which many people believe will make it impossible to get a new pipeline built.

 

I like your post, but you are explaining irrationality, ie. saying what we kind of already know.

1. You need to buy the company before you can build it.  If people are doing that, then
2. My understanding is that the previous process was not independent.  The new process would be less politically biased but take environment into account.

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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2019, 08:08:32 am »
**** Alberta and their pipeline. 
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2019, 08:10:52 am »
What the **** is wrong with them ?  Why do they take it so personally when one national party loses over another ?  Why do they blame the Liberal party when oil prices dive ?  Why don't they see where things are going with oil & gas ?

Now they're talking separatism ?  We blew $4.5B on a pipeline for some reason...

I'm going to start calling them the Quebec of the west...

Alberta's going to go down fighting.
They've been trashing the rest of Canada for so long, nobody cares.
Yank all the subsidies out of fossil fuels and put them in renewables.
No bailouts.
**** Alberta.
There. Now I'm there ... behaving as badly as they do. Lol

I feel sorry for the oil workers, who dropped out of high school and into high paying jobs. The real world doesn't work that way. Now the industry is dying while the oil bosses and Alberta government keep lying, telling them it's Trudeau or the East that's to blame. But it's just Alberta and the oil companies that are to blame for failing to plan, failing to diversify, failing to care about their workers, filling their uneducated workers heads with devious propaganda and outright lies, sucking every last drop of labour out of them and then kicking them to the curb.

If I say "**** Alberta", I mean those devious leaders in the oil industry and government, not the workers.
Bail out the workers, but not the industry.
Educate, retrain, redeploy into renewables and energy retrofitting across the country.
Alberta employed a lot of Canadians, not just Albertans.
Give back, give Alberta workers some love, and some new jobs.
And maybe some travel experience to get to know Canada. : )

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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2019, 11:14:17 am »
"I've heard your frustration and I want to be there to support you" has to actually mean something, it can't just be words.

yabut, surely you know that Alberta knowingly, willingly, and repeatedly takes known risks in funding public services with volatile resource revenues. Riddle me this member kimmy/Alberta: for all the year-upon-year multi-decadal blathering concerns acknowledging the need for Alberta to diversify its economy, how's that been working out, hey!

can ya help a bro understand just what is the so-called problem/and where it lies? I mean, c'mon... look at historical Alberta production numbers - and, by the by, as I read, the so-called glut has been/is being addressed. So, other than that price differential thingee, where's the beef exactly - particularly when rail-by-oil movement has been huuuge?



speaking of that rail-by-oil, even as a temporary "stop-gap" measure, how does Alberta's UCP Premier Kenney rationalize his promise to cancel the purchase/lease contracts for 4000+ rail cars... an action taken by the former Alberta NDP government? By the by, the waldo highlighted "bitcrude" transfer previously in another thread - somehow, Alberta's Energy Minister seems to raise its profile but Alberta Premier Kenney won't mention anything about production numbers... or rail transfers - cause that just gets in the way of his SepartistTrolling agenda - yes?



where's the beef member kimmy - why all the claimed job losses? By the by, is there another type of... glut... when over 300 companies are trying/wanting to produce oil in Alberta?

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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2019, 11:35:47 am »
yabut, surely you know that Alberta knowingly, willingly, and repeatedly takes known risks in funding public services with volatile resource revenues. Riddle me this member kimmy/Alberta: for all the year-upon-year multi-decadal blathering concerns acknowledging the need for Alberta to diversify its economy, how's that been working out, hey!

can ya help a bro understand just what is the so-called problem/and where it lies? I mean, c'mon... look at historical Alberta production numbers - and, by the by, as I read, the so-called glut has been/is being addressed. So, other than that price differential thingee, where's the beef exactly - particularly when rail-by-oil movement has been huuuge?



speaking of that rail-by-oil, even as a temporary "stop-gap" measure, how does Alberta's UCP Premier Kenney rationalize his promise to cancel the purchase/lease contracts for 4000+ rail cars... an action taken by the former Alberta NDP government? By the by, the waldo highlighted "bitcrude" transfer previously in another thread - somehow, Alberta's Energy Minister seems to raise its profile but Alberta Premier Kenney won't mention anything about production numbers... or rail transfers - cause that just gets in the way of his SepartistTrolling agenda - yes?



where's the beef member kimmy - why all the claimed job losses? By the by, is there another type of... glut... when over 300 companies are trying/wanting to produce oil in Alberta?
And we're subsidizing them to do so.
Otherwise, they wouldn't be profitable.

Alberta doesn't get to **** on the rest of Canada without getting some uncomfortable truths spoken back to them.

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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2019, 12:14:06 pm »
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yabut, surely you know that Alberta knowingly, willingly, and repeatedly takes known risks in funding public services with volatile resource revenues. Riddle me this member kimmy/Alberta: for all the year-upon-year multi-decadal blathering concerns acknowledging the need for Alberta to diversify its economy, how's that been working out, hey!

Albertans can be a bit of a pain but you and Granny need to can the hypocrisy because every province does the same. What the hell do you think is done with the 20 billion Alberta sends to Ottawa every year that it doesn't get back? Yes Albertans can be a bit boorish at times but certainly no worse than the sanctimonious hypocrites who believe they would enjoy the same standard of living if that money never existed.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2019, 03:00:24 pm »
Energy provides 11% of Canada's GDP or over 180 billion, directly or indirectly employs over half a million, provides over 14 billion in direct revenues to governments and around 30 billion in fuel and carbon taxes. How about some real suggestions on how to fill that hole in the economy instead of just ranting about bad Albertans.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2019, 03:14:13 pm »
Energy provides 11% of Canada's GDP or over 180 billion, directly or indirectly employs over half a million, provides over 14 billion in direct revenues to governments and around 30 billion in fuel and carbon taxes. How about some real suggestions on how to fill that hole in the economy instead of just ranting about bad Albertans.

That's with a downturn in oil price.  We are still digging more oil than ever.  Unemployment in AB is 6.9%...  in a downturn. 

Instead of buying pipelines and selling more oil, we should have a real plan not to use so much.  Ratchet it back, not up.

Also, if AB can get more for its oil, you do realize that means Canada will also be paying more for oil to use it domestically?  We pay world prices for most commodities. 

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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2019, 04:39:56 pm »
That's with a downturn in oil price.  We are still digging more oil than ever.  Unemployment in AB is 6.9%...  in a downturn. 

Instead of buying pipelines and selling more oil, we should have a real plan not to use so much.  Ratchet it back, not up.

Also, if AB can get more for its oil, you do realize that means Canada will also be paying more for oil to use it domestically?  We pay world prices for most commodities.

Alberta has to sell its oil at a $20 discount from wold price, largely because it can't access world markets. Would any other industry in the country stand for that?
Yes we pay world prices for most commodities but Alberta is supposed to sell its resources for less. This is entirely the mentality of the NEP back in the seventies. Deja vu all over again.

In addition to the numbers I already posted, energy represents 22% of the total value of our exports. That will have to be replaced to maintain our standards of living.

I still haven't heard any suggestions. These are real questions that will have to be answered if we are to abandon fossil fuels. I don't know the answers but I do know that throwing rocks at Albertans isn't going to get it done regardless of how good it might make people feel.


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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2019, 10:46:32 pm »
**** Alberta and their pipeline.

**** AB and their pipelines while you still fill your vehicle with gas, right?  That's the kind of fantastic attitude that will make Alberta separate, and decimate our economy while the Saudis pump out more oil to make up for our "f**k pipelines" BS, the Saudi oil of course Canada already buys from and would need more from & needs to be shipped by oil-fueled GHG-emitting tankers across half the globe to fill our cars that 99.9% of the country still uses.

This is why Elizabeth May is complete and utter moron.  If her party were elected, she would have destroyed Canada, AB would be gone in a heartbeat.  She's a complete imbecile.  Fortunately the vast majority of Canadians are well aware of this as per the election results.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2019, 10:56:07 pm »
Alberta's going to go down fighting.
They've been trashing the rest of Canada for so long, nobody cares.
Yank all the subsidies out of fossil fuels and put them in renewables.
No bailouts.
**** Alberta.
There. Now I'm there ... behaving as badly as they do. Lol

I feel sorry for the oil workers, who dropped out of high school and into high paying jobs. The real world doesn't work that way. Now the industry is dying while the oil bosses and Alberta government keep lying, telling them it's Trudeau or the East that's to blame. But it's just Alberta and the oil companies that are to blame for failing to plan, failing to diversify, failing to care about their workers, filling their uneducated workers heads with devious propaganda and outright lies, sucking every last drop of labour out of them and then kicking them to the curb.

Do you actually believe what you just wrote?

If the oil industry is dying, the oil sands would be out of business and there would be no demand for oil shipped by pipeline.  Next time you go to hop on a plane to take a vacation, either stay home or thank Alberta.

You're trying to destroy this country and save the world at the same time.  I guarantee your delusional thinking is only going to do the former.  Shame on you!
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2019, 10:59:04 pm »
Energy provides 11% of Canada's GDP or over 180 billion, directly or indirectly employs over half a million, provides over 14 billion in direct revenues to governments and around 30 billion in fuel and carbon taxes. How about some real suggestions on how to fill that hole in the economy instead of just ranting about bad Albertans.

These people ignore such realities, even Liz May does.  They're out of their freaking minds.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2019, 11:07:29 pm »
Do you actually believe what you just wrote?

If the oil industry is dying, the oil sands would be out of business and there would be no demand for oil shipped by pipeline.  Next time you go to hop on a plane to take a vacation, either stay home or thank Alberta.

You're trying to destroy this country and save the world at the same time.  I guarantee your delusional thinking is only going to do the former.  Shame on you!

Actually scientific evidence shows that stepping away from fossil fuels will help save this country and the world.
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2019, 11:13:55 pm »
Actually scientific evidence shows that stepping away from fossil fuels will help save this country and the world.

Stepping away. Sounds so simple.
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Re: Your opinion of the 2019 election!
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2019, 11:23:07 pm »
Stepping away. Sounds so simple.

Nobody said such a major change would be simple. Inevitable is the more appropriate descriptor.