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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2018, 06:40:22 pm »
Some people believe that unifying the country means ensuring that everyone is white and Christian. The don't believe you can have unity across races, religions, and cultures, so they advocate segregation and fight against diversity.

Then they can come and make their argument, but that ship has sailed.  That's why those people have to lie and cause trouble.
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2018, 05:39:34 pm »
The Conservative Party passed a resolution that people born in Canada aren't Canadian if their parents aren't citizens.  What a wacky policy that might capture the "birth tourists" that they're obsessed with, but will also have unintended consequences that reach much farther than just that. 

For instance, I wouldn't have been a Canadian.   My parents weren't here as birth tourists.

Where's Michael Chong gone?   He used to speak sense to this kind of nonsense. Has he been drummed out of the party?
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2018, 06:13:27 pm »
The Conservative Party passed a resolution that people born in Canada aren't Canadian if their parents aren't citizens.  What a wacky policy that might capture the "birth tourists" that they're obsessed with, but will also have unintended consequences that reach much farther than just that. 

For instance, I wouldn't have been a Canadian.   My parents weren't here as birth tourists.

Where's Michael Chong gone?   He used to speak sense to this kind of nonsense. Has he been drummed out of the party?

I figure if you ever gave Canadians the chance to vote on such a question you'd get 80-90% in favour of abolishing the stupid rule that gives citizenship to anyone born here, even to  non-Canadians.

No other western nation does that except the US. The US and Canada retain it because we have the ocean to keep floods of foreigners from coming here to have kids, but despite what the far left might have to say, abolishing this rule is common sense. Lucien Robillard proposed it decades ago when she was Liberal immigration minster. The immigration department proposed it again a couple of years ago. It's not a far right plot, despite what the zealots of the Left think.

I was born in Germany. I have zero right to Germany citizenship, as it should be. My parents weren't birth tourists either. My father was posted there. My citizenship comes from my parents. That's the way the Germans figure it, as does every other western country.

https://theprovince.com/news/local-news/pressure-builds-to-close-birth-tourism-loophole-for-getting-citizenship/wcm/506a7cd7-6920-4ab2-8ecd-5d6095b300bd
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2018, 06:24:24 pm »
No other western nation does that except the US. The US and Canada retain it because we have the ocean

Actually it is very common in the Americas. I am not aware of any country in North or South America that doesn't observe Jus soli. Most of Europe, Asia, and Africa however are based on parental citizenship. There are a few countries (including Germany) that will give citizenship to someone born there if their parent was a legal resident, generally with certain minimum time of residency.

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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2018, 06:44:01 pm »
Actually it is very common in the Americas. I am not aware of any country in North or South America that doesn't observe Jus soli. Most of Europe, Asia, and Africa however are based on parental citizenship. There are a few countries (including Germany) that will give citizenship to someone born there if their parent was a legal resident, generally with certain minimum time of residency.

There are something like 33 countries who do have birthright citizenship but most of them aren't as developed or as pasty white as Canada or the US so they don't count.....to certain posters anyway.
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2018, 08:50:27 pm »
There are something like 33 countries who do have birthright citizenship but most of them aren't as developed or as pasty white as Canada or the US so they don't count.....to certain posters anyway.

The difference is that people are not going to fly into Venezuala to have a baby so their offspring will have the glorious opportunity of future membership in a Socialist paradise. There isn't the attraction as there is for third worlders with the chance for citizenship in a wealthy western country.

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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #66 on: August 31, 2018, 09:30:49 am »
I figure if you ever gave Canadians the chance to vote on such a question you'd get 80-90% in favour of abolishing the stupid rule that gives citizenship to anyone born here, even to  non-Canadians.
You would figure that.

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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #67 on: August 31, 2018, 05:24:25 pm »
The Conservative Party passed a resolution that people born in Canada aren't Canadian if their parents aren't citizens.  What a wacky policy that might capture the "birth tourists" that they're obsessed with, but will also have unintended consequences that reach much farther than just that. 

For instance, I wouldn't have been a Canadian.   My parents weren't here as birth tourists.

Where's Michael Chong gone?   He used to speak sense to this kind of nonsense. Has he been drummed out of the party?

Isn't it only in certain cases though?  It seems pretty clear that two parents who are permanent residents here and have children here will have their kids become Canadians at birth, don't see how any party could possibly change that.

We should have cut this birth tourism nonsense off decades ago.  Canada and US are one of the few countries in the world that still have full birthright citizenship.  Australia and New Zealand limit citizenship to babies with at least 1 parent who is a citizen or legal resident, for example.  People come here, have a baby, and then when their immigration claim is denied they try to use that as a reason they should be allowed to stay.  Meanwhile their kid gets education and healthcare paid for etc.
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2018, 02:11:26 pm »
People come here, have a baby, and then when their immigration claim is denied they try to use that as a reason they should be allowed to stay.

Do you have any statistics to support that claim?

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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #69 on: September 01, 2018, 02:23:12 pm »
Do you have any statistics to support that claim?
Statistics? We don't need no stinkin' statistics. It's better just to make up emotional rhetoric that appeals to base xenophobic fears.
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #70 on: September 01, 2018, 02:35:22 pm »
Do you have any statistics to support that claim?

Go follow "No One Is Illegal" on Facebook
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #71 on: September 01, 2018, 02:40:35 pm »
Go follow "No One Is Illegal" on Facebook

Looks like an activist group, doesn't address the statistics issue at all that I can see. If you, or they, want to gain support you should focus on facts.
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #72 on: September 01, 2018, 03:14:57 pm »
Isn't it only in certain cases though?  It seems pretty clear that two parents who are permanent residents here and have children here will have their kids become Canadians at birth, don't see how any party could possibly change that.

We should have cut this birth tourism nonsense off decades ago.  Canada and US are one of the few countries in the world that still have full birthright citizenship.  Australia and New Zealand limit citizenship to babies with at least 1 parent who is a citizen or legal resident, for example.  People come here, have a baby, and then when their immigration claim is denied they try to use that as a reason they should be allowed to stay.  Meanwhile their kid gets education and healthcare paid for etc.

OMG, let's set our xenophobic hair on fire, there were...wait for it....313 babies born of foreign mothers in Canada in 2016 according to stats can. How will we ever cope?
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #73 on: September 01, 2018, 03:46:37 pm »
Do you have any statistics to support that claim?

It's difficult to get accurate statistics when the application form provided for newborns does not contain any box for citizenship of parents. As far as I know the only known statistics are those done by a single hospital in Richmond BC, where according to a Liberal MP, a fifth of the births were to foreign parents. I don't think we can extrapolate from that across the country, of course, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out if 300+ anchor babies are born in this one hospital in a year there are many, many more.
So what exactly is the problem of emulating those vile fascist regimes of Australia, Sweden, the United Kingdom and France in requiring more than just the mother's temporary presence in Canada to grant citizenship to the baby?
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Re: When do immigrants become "Canadians"?
« Reply #74 on: September 01, 2018, 03:54:21 pm »
It's difficult to get accurate statistics when the application form provided for newborns does not contain any box for citizenship of parents. As far as I know the only known statistics are those done by a single hospital in Richmond BC, where according to a Liberal MP, a fifth of the births were to foreign parents. I don't think we can extrapolate from that across the country, of course, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out if 300+ anchor babies are born in this one hospital in a year there are many, many more.

According to Statistics Canada, there are about 300 births annually where the place of residence of the birth mother is outside of Canada. That of course has nothing to do with the citizenship question, but it does show the maximum extent of tourism babies. Only a subset of those would be non-citizens, and a subset of that would be where the parents request citizenship which was the original question.
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