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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #1770 on: August 20, 2019, 02:46:53 pm »
"badgering the AG repeatedly"? Really, care to relate said badgerings?

It's all in the ethics report.
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« Reply #1771 on: August 20, 2019, 02:48:09 pm »
Whoa wait you mean the guy personally chosen by Trudeau to overlook government ethics?



Ya, that guy.
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« Reply #1772 on: August 20, 2019, 02:52:50 pm »
"badgering the AG repeatedly"? Really, care to relate said badgerings? C'mon man, the numbers are out there... the numbers of meetings and phone calls that, apparently, put the uber-sensitive St. Jody over the edge!  ;D Again, it's a part of the job... part of the role... part of the responsibility to the Clerk/Cabinet/PM. You know, to provide information and feedback - not to act as a purposeful blocking impediment. Are you yet another who needs to better understand the Shawcross Doctrine?

That Doctrine means the government can consult but not dictate what the opinion aught to be. How many times did JWR have to say No?

It's a subjective standard. It seems you'd have been find with any methods JT took to coerce.

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« Reply #1773 on: August 20, 2019, 03:09:57 pm »

oh my! Member wilber offers up the report initiator Dion himself... you bettered that with St. Jody! You guys are heeelarious. Who's on deck - this guy?  ;D


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« Reply #1774 on: August 20, 2019, 03:22:27 pm »
Whoa wait you mean the guy personally chosen by Trudeau to overlook government ethics?
Waldo, again you don't seem to understand that Trudeau appointed Dion and JWR to their posts.  Even if Dion and JWR are horrible at their jobs as you argue (which they aren't), there's still 2 main arguments here:  Trudeau is either incompetent because he has horrible ethics, or he's incompetent because he keeps appointing incompetent people to important government positions.

you should read the waldo's posts - I previously stated PM Trudeau and top aides recused themselves from the Dion appointment process... and I stated why. I also highlighted failures in Dion's past assignments as made by Harper. As for JWR's appointment that most definitely was a mistake and was only made for gender/demographic optics... she absolutely didn't have the experience/background to warrant any such appointment. Let me know if you'd like the related prior posts that spoke to this replayed - yes?

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« Reply #1775 on: August 20, 2019, 03:25:09 pm »
Too late Waldo...   much too late...   you’ve already insulted many people who never initiated anything. 

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Waldo response to report - Line 1 - “It’s stooopid”

you're really stepin' out squiggy! Good on ya for reaching beyond your dumb post tagging! And no, I don't initiate, I respond... but I could make an exception with you!

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« Reply #1776 on: August 20, 2019, 03:37:47 pm »
That Doctrine means the government can consult but not dictate what the opinion aught to be. How many times did JWR have to say No?

It's a subjective standard. It seems you'd have been find with any methods JT took to coerce.

did JWR formally say no; if so, why so? Cause that's a fundamental gap mentioned many times - that JWR didn't formally state her position/rationale and more pointedly refused to provide info to the point of even blocking the transfer of related financial analysis from her Ministry to the Clerk/Cabinet/PM.

as for what, as you say, JWR stated: Just a few posts back I replayed the Common's Justice Committee transcript where she stated she was NOT DIRECTED (you say dictated)... that was in her formal testimony as a part of Q&A.

speaking of subjectivity, yours: it seems you're quite fine with any interpretation that sides with a subjective determination that undue pressure was applied. Perhaps you could describe what was involved to rise from your described levels of consultation and dictate - yes?

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« Reply #1777 on: August 20, 2019, 03:42:22 pm »
Dion's appointment was sprung on parliament without consulting the Commons Ethics Committee. The Committee was allowed to interview Dion after the fact but not allowed to interview Chagger, the Liberal House Leader who announced his appointment. More Trudeau openness and transparency.

Trudeau said he recused himself from the selection but considering the way the SNC DPA has been handled, can we really believe it?
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« Reply #1778 on: August 20, 2019, 03:47:32 pm »
did JWR formally say no; if so, why so? Cause that's a fundamental gap mentioned many times - that JWR didn't formally state her position/rationale and more pointedly refused to provide info to the point of even blocking the transfer of related financial analysis from her Ministry to the Clerk/Cabinet/PM.

as for what, as you say, JWR stated: Just a few posts back I replayed the Common's Justice Committee transcript where she stated she was NOT DIRECTED (you say dictated)... that was in her formal testimony as a part of Q&A.

speaking of subjectivity, yours: it seems you're quite fine with any interpretation that sides with a subjective determination that undue pressure was applied. Perhaps you could describe what was involved to rise from your described levels of consultation and dictate - yes?

She refused to overrule the decision of the Director of Public Prosecutions.  Speaking of objectivity, that means no to any logical person.
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« Reply #1779 on: August 20, 2019, 06:46:39 pm »
How many times did JWR have to say No?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the one and only time she actually discussed this with Trudeau was in September. They were in an unrelated meeting on reconciliation and Indigenous rights. Her recollection was she said that she had done her due diligence and had made up her mind on SNC and was not going to interfere with the decision.

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« Reply #1780 on: August 20, 2019, 07:33:51 pm »
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the one and only time she actually discussed this with Trudeau was in September. They were in an unrelated meeting on reconciliation and Indigenous rights. Her recollection was she said that she had done her due diligence and had made up her mind on SNC and was not going to interfere with the decision.

And then she was subjected to badgering by the PMO.
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« Reply #1781 on: August 21, 2019, 02:33:49 am »
And then she was subjected to badgering by the PMO.

the well meaning, well intentioned "badgering" was no match for JWR's unworldly uber-sensitivities  - clearly!



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« Reply #1782 on: August 21, 2019, 02:37:57 am »
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« Reply #1783 on: August 21, 2019, 09:24:37 am »
Hamer is is even less bipartisan than you waldo. If that is possible. All you have to do is read a couple of his tweets to know that reading anything longer from the guy is a waste of time. If he stayed off Twitter, the rest of his stuff might have some credibility.
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« Reply #1784 on: August 21, 2019, 09:43:09 am »
I see how the narrative of this thread will continue to go.

- Guys educate yourself on the Shawcross Doctrine!

- OK, but the Shawcross Doctrine doesn't specify that the government should tell the AG what she aught to do. Plus the PM and his minions repeatedly badgered JWR.

- She should have sucked it up and done what her leader JT told her too.

Rinse and Repeat.