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Offline wilber

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« Reply #1665 on: August 15, 2019, 03:25:23 pm »
Not directly but the evidence made it clear what they wanted. The Ethics Commissioner isn't that thick. Neither are most other people. Trudeau is willing to apologize for anything other than the actions of his own office.
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« Reply #1666 on: August 15, 2019, 03:30:07 pm »
Quote from: waldo on August 15, 2019, 03:16:39 pm
;D

Pressure is different than explicit direction, as in giving an order of authority.

Also, there's this!:  http://ciec-ccie.parl.gc.ca/EN/ReportsAndPublications/Pages/TrudeauIIReport.aspx#toc-5
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« Reply #1667 on: August 15, 2019, 06:13:57 pm »
Gosh darn it... just checked this thread and THIS IS WHERE ALL THE FUN IS.

Well, Trudeau was found unethical.  Maybe I have an excuse to vote NDP after all.  That and my local guy came by the other day and seems like a nice lad.
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« Reply #1668 on: August 15, 2019, 06:31:31 pm »
Quote from: MH on August 15, 2019, 06:13:57 pm
Well, Trudeau was found unethical.  Maybe I have an excuse to vote NDP after all.  That and my local guy came by the other day and seems like a nice lad.

MP's are just a rubber stamp for the party leader/PM.  Apparently that's how this thing works now. 

Liberals still have 100 ridings to fill with candidates to reach a full slate before election, which seems odd for a sitting majority gov.  I believe NDP have quite a few to fill too if i'm not mistaken.  For some odd reason CPC and Bernier's party have almost a full slate, which is weird, but i guess they don't have anything better to do since they aren't actually governing lol
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« Reply #1669 on: August 15, 2019, 06:39:27 pm »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on August 15, 2019, 03:30:07 pm
Pressure is different than explicit direction, as in giving an order of authority.

“He doesn’t give you questions, he doesn’t give you orders, he speaks in a code. And I understand the code, because I’ve been around him for a decade,”

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« Reply #1670 on: August 15, 2019, 08:43:10 pm »
Quote from: waldo on August 15, 2019, 03:16:39 pm
;D



I guess Randy can just go explain it to the Ethics Commissioner.  ::)

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1671 on: August 15, 2019, 09:46:35 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on August 15, 2019, 06:39:27 pm
“He doesn’t give you questions, he doesn’t give you orders, he speaks in a code. And I understand the code, because I’ve been around him for a decade,”

I worked for the Japanese for several years. They use code as well. "I don't think so" means, no. "Maybe you should" means, you will.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1672 on: August 15, 2019, 11:46:14 pm »
Quote from: kimmy on August 15, 2019, 08:43:10 pm
I guess Randy can just go explain it to the Ethics Commissioner.  ::)

your fake outrage is noted

... and this guy would know!
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« Reply #1673 on: August 16, 2019, 12:16:51 am »
lol.  Ethics commissioner, shmethics shmommissioner, right waldo?

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« Reply #1674 on: August 16, 2019, 12:24:49 am »
Quote from: kimmy on August 16, 2019, 12:16:51 am
lol.  Ethics commissioner, shmethics shmommissioner, right waldo?

oh kimmy - didja ever consider your "shmethics shmommissioner"... doesn't know his azz from a hole-in-the-ground?

Quote from: Errol Mendes - professor of constitutional and international law, president of the International Commission of Jurists, Canada, and a recipient of the Order of Ontario
There seems to have been a serious misinterpretation of his own act and his jurisdiction by the ethics commissioner. There needs to be far more in depth discussion of the accuracy of this report among government, the media and indeed the public deciding whether the report will influence their vote in the coming election.
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While there can be legitimate discussions on whether the prime minister and his officials crossed a line in their attempts to influence the decision of the attorney general in terms of the Shawcross doctrine, in terms of ministerial and cabinet responsibility, it should not be part of any application of Section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act.

well didja?
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1675 on: August 16, 2019, 01:10:27 am »
the waldo:  "If the glove don't fit you must acquit"
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« Reply #1676 on: August 16, 2019, 01:11:08 am »
i kid waldo, i kid. I love you bro.  You're really good at this honestly.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1677 on: August 16, 2019, 01:38:28 am »
Quote from: waldo on August 16, 2019, 12:24:49 am
oh kimmy - didja ever consider your "shmethics shmommissioner"... doesn't know his azz from a hole-in-the-ground?

well didja?

Well it was Trudeau that appointed Dion as ethics commissioner.  So even if Dion were incompetent and totally wrong on this, looks like Trudeau really effed himself once again!  :D

I bet SleezeSauce Justin couldn't even appoint a kid to properly cut his lawn  :D
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1678 on: August 16, 2019, 02:21:42 am »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on August 15, 2019, 03:30:07 pm
Pressure is different than explicit direction, as in giving an order of authority.

Also, there's this!:  http://ciec-ccie.parl.gc.ca/EN/ReportsAndPublications/Pages/TrudeauIIReport.aspx#toc-5

The fact that Ms. Wilson-Raybould was not directed to intervene likely prevented the occurrence of actual political interference in the matter but does little to assist Mr. Trudeau in this examination. The repeated interventions by the Prime Minister, his most senior ministerial staff and public officials to have the Attorney General find a solution, even in the face of her refusal to intervene in the matter, lead me to conclude that these actions were tantamount to political direction.

The fact that she was moved out of the AG position sent a pretty clear message to any other Liberal MP's that you don't say "no" to Trudeau's 'pressure'.
And still, Trudeau "won't apologize" for protecting Canadian (SNC-LAVELIN) jobs ... or for using unethical methods to pressure/threaten his MP's to conform to his/corporate demands.
I wonder if that's why his slate of candidates is slow to fill?
This will certainly be an interesting election. I don't see a huge swing to the Conservatives either, so we may end up with ... something different! :)
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1679 on: August 16, 2019, 02:41:27 am »
Quote from: waldo on August 16, 2019, 12:24:49 am
oh kimmy - didja ever consider your "shmethics shmommissioner"... doesn't know his azz from a hole-in-the-ground?

well didja?

Didja ever consider that Trudeau is just ethically challenged? The end (his reelection in his riding) justifiies the (unethical) means?
Not to say that that's unusual in Canadian politics. It just isn't usually so exposed, as MP's would buckle to the pressure. I suspect that with  a Conservative government in a similar situation, no MP would step out of line to preserve 'ethics'.

I like to think that there is a chance here for improving the ethical performance of Canadian governments.

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