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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1545 on: April 21, 2019, 02:47:35 pm »
Quote from: Rue on April 21, 2019, 02:19:24 pm
You again show you have no idea how to debate what I say so make childish word count comments.

highlighting your inability to write with conciseness and brevity while pointing out your long-standing GishGallop routine is... are responses that showcase you have relatively little worth responding to. As I've said, when you're finally shamed into replying with normal length posts, it's a real challenge to attempt to interpret your, typically, illegible statements. Couple that with your mega-comprehension difficulties... and your purposeful TROLLING... you should be thanking the waldo for taking the time to bother with you at all!
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1546 on: April 21, 2019, 02:55:34 pm »
Quote from: Rue on April 21, 2019, 02:22:32 pm
Again the issue was not whether the prosecutor could consider public interest, its why she did not.

no - as I just wrote... as you're purposely ignoring:

Quote from: waldo on April 21, 2019, 12:53:58 pm


the public has not been privy to the DPPSC review/evaluation - no one, other than you, has presumed to prioritize criteria within that evaluation. In terms of overall public interest, that lil' ditty is within the purview of the Attorney General to use to intervene in a prosecution.

quit pretending you can speak for either the DPPSC or your Jody (the FORMER AG)!
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1547 on: April 21, 2019, 03:09:19 pm »
Quote from: Rue on April 21, 2019, 02:30:12 pm
Its done. The AG and DPP and OECD do not think you can do that. No lawyer does. Find me a lawyer who believes the OECD commentaries and Annex 1 interpreting Article V don't mean what they do. Please finish the legal argument. You think simply shouting out "guideline" poof makes them go away?

Do you think your inability to explain how you think you can reinvent the wording to not mean what it states other than to scream out "guidelines" really at this point helps your argument?

notwithstanding you can't counter the interpretation/understanding I've put forward, the OECD has no enforcement or sanction power on any country... so, it's a toothless guideline! How silly you are in using the word "directive"!  ;D

Quote from: Drago Kos, chair of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development's Working Group on Bribery
Of course Canada is a sovereign entity so no one can force Canada to do anything
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1548 on: April 21, 2019, 03:16:04 pm »
Quote from: Rue on April 21, 2019, 02:34:57 pm
At this point your comments

at this point you continue to troll - you are unable to provide any substantiation to your interpretation of how "national economic interest" applies in regards allegations of committing an offence under the relevant sections of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act. You haven't - apparently, you can't! So instead you make shyte up and/or simply restate your baseless and unsubstantiated statements. Ya gots nuthin!
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1549 on: April 21, 2019, 03:19:45 pm »
Quote from: Rue on April 21, 2019, 02:43:53 pm
My mistake was showing you or Waldo any familiarity. What the two have you have now repeatedly demonstrated is you want to be taken seriously but you two  demonstrate contempt and arrogance for anyone you disagree with and throw in the personal remarks. I should not have in response.

whaaaa! Your insult routine is a means for you to show... uhhh... collegial familiarity! Oh my - this is the best yet... keep these gems of yours coming!  ;D
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1550 on: April 21, 2019, 03:24:31 pm »
Quote from: Rue on April 21, 2019, 02:34:57 pm
At this point your comments are irrational. Canada's lack of enforcement of bribery offences of course deals with many issues including the latest dpa apparatus. They deal with the fact that Canada has failed to bring to trial bribery cases. So of course the concern dates back to before dpa's were created

at this point your long-standing expressed hatred for PM Trudeau is what's irrational. Your own link dated from 2011 and referred to raised OECD concerns from 1999 on through to the 2011 date of your cited article... all pre-dating anything to do with the 2018 implementation of dpa legislation/law. But none of that stopped you from further blathering on about PM Trudeau and dpas.

but good on ya for responding to being called out on it... even as you attempt to weasel-word your reply
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1551 on: April 22, 2019, 08:49:27 am »
Quote from: waldo on April 21, 2019, 03:16:04 pm
at this point you continue to troll - you are unable to provide any substantiation to your interpretation of how "national economic interest" applies in regards allegations of committing an offence under the relevant sections of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act. You haven't - apparently, you can't! So instead you make shyte up and/or simply restate your baseless and unsubstantiated statements. Ya gots nuthin!

I provided it you now ignore it. The exclamation marks and childish taunts speak for themselves and are ignored.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1552 on: April 22, 2019, 09:06:03 am »
Quote from: waldo on April 21, 2019, 02:55:34 pm
no - as I just wrote... as you're purposely ignoring:

quit pretending you can speak for either the DPPSC or your Jody (the FORMER AG)!

1. The issues I and others have disputed with you are not that public interest can be a consideration when deciding to award a dpa but whether depending on the facts of the specific case at hand they should be considered .

2. What you were shown and refuse to acknowledge is he dpablaw wording provides preconditions and considerations when deciding if awarding a dpa is appropriate as well as public interest.

3.: The dpa law prohibits the consideration of national economic interest Asda public interest consideration.

4. The web site you now quote does not confirm your position at all or raise an issue anyone has disputed. The web site does not say the Prime Minister or AG can arbitrarily ignore the dpa law wording and simply give a dpa without reviewing the preconditions and considerations and prohibition.

SonI did not ignore your response I said it's not relevant. You now try make all the legal issues you do not know how todebate try to poor with the site you quoted. That is like your exclamation marks and personal remarks, irrational and does not prove what you claim. It does show you are now angry and making no effort to think before you respond.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1553 on: April 22, 2019, 09:14:21 am »
Quote from: waldo on April 21, 2019, 03:09:19 pm
notwithstanding you can't counter the interpretation/understanding I've put forward, the OECD has no enforcement or sanction power on any country... so, it's a toothless guideline! How silly you are in using the word "directive"!  ;D

Again you try engage me in silly baiting and you show you do not want to take the time to consider the implications of Canada violates an international convention it signed. The fact that you think international conventions are silly and toothless and therefore only guidelines is a subjective opinion.

Using you reasoning Canada can violate international law and all the treaties it signs because they are  not enforceable and therefore silly.

You of course make a remark that fails to acknowledge what happens when a country operates in a vacuum to the world around it and what it will do to its reputation in business, trade, foreign relations.

« Last Edit: April 22, 2019, 09:50:31 am by Rue »
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1554 on: April 22, 2019, 09:22:08 am »
Quote from: waldo on April 21, 2019, 03:19:45 pm
whaaaa! Your insult routine is a means for you to show... uhhh... collegial familiarity! Oh my - this is the best yet... keep these gems of yours coming!  ;D

You and  Omni need to read back your subjective comments, name calling and  ask whether they have contributed to your positions. I said I will no longer engage you on the childish level you desire. Others have also asked you to stop and simply debate the issues.

I can and have said in regards to my own responses I should not have allowed myself to assume a level of familiarity with you thinking it was funny and said tongue in cheek. It's clear fro the repetitive use of personal remarks and exclamation marks by you and Omni, that neither of you see anything wrong with your behaviour. Good for you. All I can and do, is avoid the same 
behaviour.

Now  may  I ask you to focus on the issues. I will not respond to your baiting and name calling only the issues being debated.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1555 on: April 22, 2019, 09:38:43 am »
We should rename this thread to members Rue and waldo having and intense argument over **** we've all made up our minds over already.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1556 on: April 22, 2019, 09:49:24 am »
Lol but I am having fun.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1557 on: April 22, 2019, 09:53:11 am »
Quote from: waldo on April 21, 2019, 03:16:04 pm
at this point you continue to troll - you are unable to provide any substantiation to your interpretation of how "national economic interest" applies in regards allegations of committing an offence under the relevant sections of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act. You haven't - apparently, you can't! So instead you make shyte up and/or simply restate your baseless and unsubstantiated statements. Ya gots nuthin!
Quote from: Rue on April 22, 2019, 08:49:27 am
I provided it you now ignore it.

no - you have not... all you've done, repeatedly done, is quote the OECD guideline and it's (essentially) verbatim appearance within the related law... neither of which include anything in how to interpret the words "national economic interest". No matter how many times you insist you have, you have not countered the following:

Quote from: waldo on April 21, 2019, 12:10:37 pm
to summarize: per norm, you're trolling again! That Wernick understanding has standing until you can counter it - which you haven't; which you clearly can't. You continuing to parrot the OECD guideline, to keep mentioning s.715 (3), as below, offers NOTHING new in your continued FAILED attempts to counter.



when you keep coming back with nothing else, with nothing new/different... when you continue to simply restate/requote the OECD guideline or s.715 (3) you are offering nothing as to how to interpret the phrase, "national economic interest", as applied to an alleged offence under the relevant sections of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act --- you're TROLLING!

Quote from: waldo on March 18, 2019, 12:18:42 pm
you're not adding anything new here; you've not been able to counter the following... please try harder!

so, again, "national economic interest":
=> domestic applicability in consideration of public interest: again, one of the conditions: "the prosecutor is of the opinion that negotiating the agreement is in the public interest and appropriate in the circumstances"

=> not applicable in consideration of country-vs-country economic impacts offering advantage to one country over another
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1558 on: April 22, 2019, 10:02:27 am »
Is that Liberal red I see?  Waldo I am not ignoring you but I have responded directly to everything you raised. I can see you now just want to have what appears to be a tantrum because I won't agree with your subjective opinions so before you use purple why not just put me on hold. If you have an actual legal issue you wish to raise I will be pleased to respond.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1559 on: April 22, 2019, 10:18:48 am »
Quote from: Rue on April 22, 2019, 10:02:27 am
Is that Liberal red I see?  Waldo I am not ignoring you but I have responded directly to everything you raised. I can see you now just want to have what appears to be a tantrum because I won't agree with your subjective opinions so before you use purple why not just put me on hold. If you have an actual legal issue you wish to raise I will be pleased to respond.

you haven't... and apparently can't put up anything to support your understanding/interpretation of what 'national economic interest' means in regards an allegation of an offence committed under the relevant sections of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act. Again, you simply repeating the OECD guideline and/or its transference into the dpa law doesn't provide anything new - it does not counter the following:

Quote from: waldo on April 21, 2019, 12:10:37 pm
to summarize: per norm, you're trolling again! That Wernick understanding has standing until you can counter it - which you haven't; which you clearly can't. You continuing to parrot the OECD guideline, to keep mentioning s.715 (3), as below, offers NOTHING new in your continued FAILED attempts to counter.



when you keep coming back with nothing else, with nothing new/different... when you continue to simply restate/requote the OECD guideline or s.715 (3) you are offering nothing as to how to interpret the phrase, "national economic interest", as applied to an alleged offence under the relevant sections of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act --- you're TROLLING!
Quote from: waldo on March 18, 2019, 12:18:42 pm
you're not adding anything new here; you've not been able to counter the following... please try harder!

so, again, "national economic interest":
=> domestic applicability in consideration of public interest: again, one of the conditions: "the prosecutor is of the opinion that negotiating the agreement is in the public interest and appropriate in the circumstances"

=> not applicable in consideration of country-vs-country economic impacts offering advantage to one country over another
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