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« Reply #1095 on: March 26, 2019, 01:24:00 pm »
Oh my God you forgot to tell Spencer to be quiet B + B:

https://www.spencerfernando.com/2019/03/20/trudeau-lies-even-the-snc-lavalin-ceo-isnt-repeating-trudeaus-9000-jobs-excuse/

TRUDEAU LIES: Even The SNC-Lavalin CEO Isn’t Repeating Trudeau’s “9,000 Jobs” Excuse

Spencer Fernando March 20, 2019

"Justin Trudeau and his cronies have repeatedly tried to say that SNC-Lavalin should be considered for a Deferred Prosecution Agreement because “9,000 jobs” are at stake.

Many have questioned that figure, and when a Trudeau cabinet member was asked what evidence she had for that number, she could give any evidence whatsoever.

And now, it turns out that even SNC-Lavalin’s CEO isn’t using the “9,000 jobs” claim.

Here’s what the CP reported:


In an interview with The Canadian Press, Neil Bruce says the Montreal-based company, unlike the Trudeau government, has never cited the protection of 9,000 Canadian jobs as a reason it should be granted a remediation agreement to avoid a criminal trial. However, he says there’s a public interest for such an agreement because its well-qualified employees will be forced to work for U.S. or European competitors if it is barred from bidding on federal contracts for a decade.”

So, yet another Trudeau talking point has been totally discredited.

He’s been spreading more lies, using claims about jobs that even the company he claims to be ‘defending’ isn’t using.

Once again, this is why nothing Justin Trudeau says can ever be believed."

Hey are the cronies he refers to by any chance Waldo and Omni aka Billy and Seamus?

Was that too long boys?

Lol you guys are something. You can run but you can't hide...here that Omni...is thesound of Jody and Joney coming up your rear window. Ahahahah. I love it. Its over right Omni. We've moved on toAlberta politics. Ahahahah. Brilliant. On to Edmonton.

Already been brought to your attention a number of times that SNC did in fact discuss potential job loss vis-a-vis being granted a dpa. It's getting really, really old now l'il buddy.

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« Reply #1096 on: March 26, 2019, 01:50:35 pm »
Let me backtrack on my "whataboutism" comment because I understand where you're coming from and I think you misunderstand me.

We should be focused on what actual corruption may have occurred but the vast majority of the conversation has been circling around the soap opera in the Liberal Party. That's what I couldn't possibly care less about. I want to know more about the dealings with SNC-Lavalin and whether there was any special treatment or quid pro quo going on. Honestly, I haven't had the time to read extensively on the situation, but a lot of the press has looked like a reality TV show about the whole thing. That leads me to believe that this is much ado about nothing or things are being massively covered up that we need to know about.

I think it is much ado about nothing. JWR herself said in testimony that nothing illegal occurred, and so we have the issue of whether "inappropriate  pressure" was applied to her as to her decision on the dpa. The law clearly states that in such cases the AG must make a decision without regard for economic issues and so discussions regarding the potential loss of 9k jobs could possibly be interpreted to be that type of pressure. Or it could be considered as a reality issue that goes beyond economic to societal. To me it comes down to a "he said, she said" and it's time to move on. 

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« Reply #1097 on: March 26, 2019, 03:42:30 pm »
Well, it's not clear that this was A ) not just normal politics, and B ) that anything illegal or wrong actually happened.  The AG was allowed to make her decision, despite meetings trying to convince her otherwise.  This is a media scandal.
What ordinary people appear to be most pissed off about is how normal this all is - that much of what's at the heart of this is legal is what's so scandalous.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1098 on: March 26, 2019, 03:45:43 pm »
that much of what's at the heart of this is legal is what's so scandalous.

Yes, suggesting that your new AG with zero bench experience consult with a retired supreme court justice on a new law is scandalous.

Yes, cabinet shuffles in response to a cabinet minister retiring are scandalous.


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« Reply #1099 on: March 26, 2019, 05:05:15 pm »
Yes, suggesting that your new AG with zero bench experience consult with a retired supreme court justice on a new law is scandalous.

Yes, cabinet shuffles in response to a cabinet minister retiring are scandalous.
No, I'm pretty sure its the cronyism.  Pretending otherwise just pisses people off even more.
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« Reply #1100 on: March 26, 2019, 06:30:31 pm »
Liberals still in full-on cover-up mode.  I can't wait to vote these bums out and vote in the next group of crooked a-holes.
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« Reply #1101 on: March 27, 2019, 08:12:56 am »
I think it is much ado about nothing. JWR herself said in testimony that nothing illegal occurred, and so we have the issue of whether "inappropriate  pressure" was applied to her as to her decision on the dpa. The law clearly states that in such cases the AG must make a decision without regard for economic issues and so discussions regarding the potential loss of 9k jobs could possibly be interpreted to be that type of pressure. Or it could be considered as a reality issue that goes beyond economic to societal. To me it comes down to a "he said, she said" and it's time to move on.

As we see from the Trump situation down south. It's a pretty sad assessment of Politics that as long as it's not illegal, it's fine.

You don't have to follow the affair anymore. But until we find out what JWR and Jane Phillpott are saying they aren't allowed to say, this story will have steam.

And it's effecting the Liberals in opinion polling. That means there's blood in the water for the opposition.

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« Reply #1102 on: March 27, 2019, 11:19:36 am »
As we see from the Trump situation down south. It's a pretty sad assessment of Politics that as long as it's not illegal, it's fine.

You don't have to follow the affair anymore. But until we find out what JWR and Jane Phillpott are saying they aren't allowed to say, this story will have steam.

And it's effecting the Liberals in opinion polling. That means there's blood in the water for the opposition.

Yes I think the Liberals are not helping themselves by using their majority to thwart attempts, most recently by the ethics committee, to allow JWR and Phillpot to speak once again on the issue. Of course the opposition will flog this for as long as they possibly can especially with an election not far down the road.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1103 on: March 27, 2019, 11:21:52 am »
Yes, suggesting that your new AG with zero bench experience consult with a retired supreme court justice on a new law is scandalous.

Yes, cabinet shuffles in response to a cabinet minister retiring are scandalous.

Your comment is idiotic. One does not need bench experience to read a statute, particularly someone who graduated from Oxford law school and was a Crown Prosecutor. Your comment is not only idiotic but stupid. No a doctor does not need a second doctor to tell them what the appendix is. The statutory wording in the dpa law concerning the pre-conditions and factors that must be considered before a dpa can be considered as an option and the prohibition for considering national economic interest as a public policy consideration do not require a retired Supreme Court judge to consider-using your idiotic comment any decision any Prosecutor makes must be referred to a Supreme Court Judge. What stupidity.

By the way Trudeau has appointed the legal counsel to Lavalin to review on behalf of the federal government in the midst of the Lavalin scandal  to review concerns of the indigenous people in Ms. Wilson's riding as to the pipeline that would be placed through their lands. That legal counsel is a former Supreme Court of Canada judge.

Do you have any rational point to make Well do you? Why do you need any doctor let alone a specialist to tell you what an appendix is. Tell me. Did you stop to think before you trotted out the above. If it is a new law, no Supreme Court Judge can interpret it any different than any other lawyer, its read according to the plain meaning rule. Only a Judge could challenge that in a judicial review and it went to the Federal Court on a challenge and that court said the Prosecutor has absolute discretion to interpret the preconditions and factors and prohibition.  You already have a second opinion so stop with the bullshit and its absolute bullshit. The only reason a second opinion was being pressured is because they did not like the one they were given not because one was needed.

That bullshit may sound good to you pro Liberals but there is not a lawer, not one phacking lawyer in this country who has a problem understanding he wording in the dpa law and understands there is no way around it if for no other reason its not for repeat offenders which Lavalin as and because Lavalin already rejected  the preconditions for getting one in public.

Hey why let reality get in your way. Run with Waldo and Omni and pretend you can fly. Fly fly little Liberal patoots.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1104 on: March 27, 2019, 11:27:09 am »
I think it is much ado about nothing. JWR herself said in testimony that nothing illegal occurred, 

Oh Look Lord Omni of the Trudeau has made his pronouncement, let them eat cake. Much ado about nothing he sniffs.

Yah interfering with an on-going criminal proceeding to protect a company with a repeated history of corruption and bribing terrorist war criminals is much ado about nothing. Guylan Prison-Justice City, much ado about nothing. Its just a concentration camp. Why the fuss. Oh just because Lavalin refuses to repatriate the victims of Ghaddafi with the money it earned from the projects gained by bribing Ghaddafi, oh its much ado about nothing. I mean these victims of Ghadaffi pish posh, now if they were terrorists imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay, well then Omni would feel otherwise.

What a pompous and inane comment. Talk about an elitist, snot faced, racist comment. Go on Omni state it. Quebecers who make their living off of the torture of Libyans are more important. Is that racist? Who you Omni, you? Sain Omni of the Equality. Saint Omni patron saint of the Omar Kadrs? Interesting which swarthy people you give credence to. What a puke inducing comment.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1105 on: March 27, 2019, 11:28:27 am »
Already been brought to your attention a number of times that SNC did in fact discuss potential job loss vis-a-vis being granted a dpa. It's getting really, really old now l'il buddy.

Its also getting real old how you are told no one denied the above and its not the issue, the issue is its been proven to be baseless.
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« Reply #1106 on: March 27, 2019, 11:36:50 am »
Your comment is idiotic. One does not need bench experience to read a statute, particularly someone who graduated from Oxford law school and was a Crown Prosecutor. Your comment is not only idiotic but stupid. No a doctor does not need a second doctor to tell them what the appendix is. The statutory wording in the dpa law concerning the pre-conditions and factors that must be considered before a dpa can be considered as an option and the prohibition for considering national economic interest as a public policy consideration do not require a retired Supreme Court judge to consider-using your idiotic comment any decision any Prosecutor makes must be referred to a Supreme Court Judge. What stupidity.

By the way Trudeau has appointed the legal counsel to Lavalin to review on behalf of the federal government in the midst of the Lavalin scandal  to review concerns of the indigenous people in Ms. Wilson's riding as to the pipeline that would be placed through their lands. That legal counsel is a former Supreme Court of Canada judge.

Do you have any rational point to make Well do you? Why do you need any doctor let alone a specialist to tell you what an appendix is. Tell me. Did you stop to think before you trotted out the above. If it is a new law, no Supreme Court Judge can interpret it any different than any other lawyer, its read according to the plain meaning rule. Only a Judge could challenge that in a judicial review and it went to the Federal Court on a challenge and that court said the Prosecutor has absolute discretion to interpret the preconditions and factors and prohibition.  You already have a second opinion so stop with the bullshit and its absolute bullshit. The only reason a second opinion was being pressured is because they did not like the one they were given not because one was needed.

That bullshit may sound good to you pro Liberals but there is not a lawer, not one phacking lawyer in this country who has a problem understanding he wording in the dpa law and understands there is no way around it if for no other reason its not for repeat offenders which Lavalin as and because Lavalin already rejected  the preconditions for getting one in public.

Hey why let reality get in your way. Run with Waldo and Omni and pretend you can fly. Fly fly little Liberal patoots.

Except I don't have to pretend I can fly. Take two aspirins and call us in the morning.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1107 on: March 27, 2019, 12:53:41 pm »
... particularly someone who graduated from Oxford law school
She went to Oxford Law school for phack's sake and was considered an excellent student. Oxford is the top law school of the Commonwealth.
Let me be as cleae as I possibly can, you now accuse someone who graduated at the top of her class at Oxford


Oxford Law School? Citation request

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1108 on: March 27, 2019, 02:40:33 pm »

Oxford Law School? Citation request
Oh look 3who finally noticed.  Genius I was being sacrcastic and you took the bait. Now you have determined where she went to law school explain how she needs your assistance in interpreting the pda law. Also I went to University of Botswana.

Her biography and her attendance at UBC Law School is known by anyone and everyone. What you think you have uncovered a conspiracy? Lol. You have spent all  your time suggesting she is incompetent go on explain how UBC is not as  good a law school as Oxford and how it matters. Man you are something.

Yah in your world she didn't go to Oxford so? Your point? Hmmmm? Your point? Do you think she can't read the damn statutes as well as any lawyer in Canada? Should she have gone to Cambridge, Oxford, University of Botswana.

Thank you for establishing a blatant point. You will come on this forum and try call me a liar over what school she want to which makes not a phacking difference to the issues. Go on call me a liar. I said Oxford. Lol. That you will spend time on playing gotcha on this forum but all the issues involving ethics that Trudeau violated, his unsubstantiated claim about job loss, that you say nothing on.

Why is it where Jody went to school so important but what Trudeau did something you ignore? Explain. Go on tell everyone how she went to UBC Law and not Oxford. I should have said Harvard. Her father and sister are well known graduates of UBC law as well. Yah you knew that.

Now that you had to go read her biography go on finish what you started, explain how she is incompetent. Explain. Can't wait. No I am not the issue, Trudeau is. No she is not the issue Trudeau is. What Trudeau did is the issue and for the millionth time, the decision was not made by her that you want undone, she just would not undo the decision of her prosecutor so how about you go try smeer that prosecutor.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1109 on: March 27, 2019, 04:11:58 pm »
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