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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1005 on: March 21, 2019, 09:02:26 am »
geezaz! The guy gets directly called out on another turd he drops... so he seeks cover by editing his post! Talk about dishonest...

The above is as dishonest as it gets because I did not change a damn thing I clarified and added to explain it so even people who can not gist things like you and Impact can be spoon fed. I in fact merged 3 responses into 1 because you whine my responses are too long.

Waldo its time to stop. People can read what I and you write. Nothing I have said has change din argument as it is in direct response to your false misrepresentations and ignorance of what the law actually says. You and Omni continue to exhibit you haven't a clue how to defend your expert legal analysis.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1006 on: March 21, 2019, 09:20:16 am »
Lol No no BogesyIts Sheer who wrote Philpott's script. Anyone who disagrees with Lord Justin of the Truedough (Cary Grant) or his "room-mate" Billy Boy Morneau (Randolph Scott) reads a Sheer script. You see The former Privy Council Head, Trudeau, Mr. Butthead, Beavis and Butthead, Omni and Prof. Waldo, all spent enormous amounts of energy on the Trudeau script on this forum explaining how loss of 9,000 jobs was a legitimate public interest that gave Trudeau et al reason to pressure (oh no says Prof. Waldo repeat requests is not pressuring) the Prosecutor to ignore the preconditions, factors and prohibition set out in the dpa law they wrote, just ignore all that, suspend all consideration except this loss of 9,000 jobs to demand a dpa give Lavalin a lenient sentence.

Now today oopsy how about that read view window from Omni claiming the matter has blown over... we now have Philpott saying Morneau is an arrogant jackass saying her decision to resign was based on friendship (you know giggly girls hoilding hands) not on a matter of legal principle and that she in need resigned for good reasons she wants to be able to explain but ooopsy we can't do that because the Liberals have shut that down. Likewise they have shut down JWR from expanding further.  What we now know is  Dr. Philpott darling of the Liberals not a Sheer script has said JWR was harassed and she wants to explain her position further. We also have a female MP from the Liberals resigning saying Trudeau acted like an imperious jackass pig.

But wait it gets better. Now Lord Justin of the Tredough has proclaimed all women who do not support his position on abortion can not be feminists.

My mother practiced medicine at a time when women were discriminated against in the profession years ago. She believed in women's rights but she as a physician refrained from ever stating she would agree with what Trudeau says. Her position always was, as a physician life is sacred and she herself had a job to point out all options possible when a young woman was pregnant. She would not come out and directly support the process of abortion not because she was not a feminist but because she did not feel as a physician she could but like many physicians she and others knew they were done with **** victims, incest victims, or with severe cases just like seriously deformed children were not assisted with extraordinary measures when board. In the idiot Trudeau's world you must agree with him and his ideology or you are not a feminist.

I support the right of women to have the final say on their own bodies. It does not mean I support or am against abortions. I simply believe that decision is not mine to make as it is not my body. Me personally I hope every women who is pregnant feels that they have been carefully explained all options and which ever one they choose they choose not because of guilt, or self-hatred or fear. According to Trudeau that makes  me a non feminist. I have no womb how can I be pro or against something that deals with a womb?

On that note I think we males necessarily can not be feminists. We can respect the equality of women as a concept yes, but I personally believe only women can choose to be or not to be feminists and how they define it is their decision to make not mine. I have enough fun defining where my testacles take  me. I think men who claim as Trudeau does over and over again they are feminist are ****. A man's beliefs are shown in how he behaves to women and others not what he says.

Trudeau is a classic ass. When things were all cheery and sunny there he was huggy poo with JWR and Dr. Jane. The moment they disagree with him, hisss hissss he and Billy Boy act like angry tempermental drag queens and show their true feelings towards women-conflicted, hateful. These two tap dancing geniuses clearly show they can't handle any woman that questions them and need to surround themselves with weak women they think will hero worship them.

They are a passive aggressive putzes.

Say that  remind me of two others.

Hey now though it was hilarious to hear the new CEO of Lavalin deny he ever talked to Trudeau about a loss of jobs. HAHAHAHAH. What will Prof. Waldo and his buddy boy liberal patoots say to that. Hey now their entire arguement to justify pressuring JWR did not exist? Trudeau made it up? Now Lavalin throws him under the bus?

Lol. That's some rear view mirror Omni has.

The fact is and I for one have argued it all along, Trudeau et al are worried about loss of votes in Quebec in Quebec liberal ridings, period. They are also worried and it will come out, sitting Liberal MP's or former ones may be directly implicated in pay offs from Lavalin.

Its all going to come out and then we can all listen to Prof. Waldo deny it .

As for Prof. Waldo being a good or bad tenant, I believe the legal term for what he would be as a tenant is called "nuisance", he interferes with the ability of other tenants right to enjoy their own premises.

I believe he causes foul and toxic smells to escape from his Liberal dwelling. That Liberal smell is tell take, its the smell of a decaying carcass.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1007 on: March 21, 2019, 10:21:15 am »
Oh and it appears that this was 100% political as SNC-Lavalin claims jobs were never at risk.

Those jobs were gonna get done by someone. It's not like a manufacturing company uprooting and moving to Mexico.

it appears Boges, it appears? Just because the company didn't cite it as a determiner in why it felt deserving of consideration for a negotiated remediation agreement? ... didn't cite it! Sorry to burst your bubble, hey Boges:

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If convicted of fraud and bribery charges, SNC-Lavalin could end up being taken over by another company and its 9,000 jobs in Canada could move abroad, the engineering firm's CEO told Radio-Canada in an interview today.

He also said that while he never told officials in the Prime Minister's Office that a federal prosecution would leave SNC-Lavalin vulnerable to a foreign takeover, it's a possibility.

"So 25 per cent off, in terms of the value of the company, in a period where our earnings and our revenues and our backlog are pretty stable," he said, arguing that the depressed share price doesn't reflect the company's true value — which could make it a ripe target for a takeover bid.

"Ultimately, people will look at it and say, 'Well, SNC-Lavalin is worth more than the current share price.'"

as for jobs being done by "someone else" - as I read SNC-Lavalin is one of about 10 companies (in the world) capable of from, start-to-finish, undertaking the largest and most complicated work... notwithstanding, it's the only company in the world certified to work on the Candu reactor... you know, that lil' ditty tied to SNC-Lavalin purchasing the Candu division of Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd. But hey Boges, you know these wizards here who so casually speak of "engineers"... that other companies will just, "pick up the work, pick up the slack"!

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1008 on: March 21, 2019, 10:26:18 am »
oh my! SNC-Lavalin President and CEO Neil Bruce states: "{I} met Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer on three occasions and the Opposition leader was "very supportive" of the company".

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Bruce said he now finds Scheer's public position on his company difficult to understand.

"I am quite puzzled in terms of the position," Bruce said. "I mean, I understand the politics of it but in terms of looking at ... you know it's not just about jobs, it's actually about people. We've got 9,000 employees that feel quite bitter about this."

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1009 on: March 21, 2019, 11:10:30 am »
Looks like you two giggling legal scholars didn't get the gist of your comments or mine. Then again it appears th etwo of you have selective gist processes.

no, your mission (if you choose to accept it) was laid out directly and precisely. Simply stop your dishonest posting; stop this type of dishonest shyte:

- you either hide behind/within your voluminous screeds, or
- you completely ignore the attempts others take to actually spend the time to peel through your barely literate screeds attempting to separate out particular statements of yours for pointed discussion... of course you completely ignore those - cause you can't argue them in isolation... ignore & run is your modus operandi!
- or you rarely provide citations to support your wild-azz statements/claims
- if you provide citation links, you do so in a grand 'ta da' manner... but you never quote from them to align with and support your statement/claim - never! You expect others to accept your cited links and to read on through them to actually find something that might support your statement/claim... to interpret for you! Why would you ever come out from behind your curtain... and actually pointedly quote from one of your (rarely) provided citations?

I've taken lengths to school you and get you focused on single items/points... clearly to no avail! I've taken your voluminous screeds apart... attempting to work through the barely literate parts.

you refuse to take on these small isolated replies to you! Of course you do - they don't allow your gish-gallop... you've got no where to hide.

again, if you believe you have a real/valid point to make, succinctly state it... brevity is key!!! Of course, citation support is also needed - something you're most adverse to supply. More pointedly, if on that rarest of occasions you do have a cited reference for support, DON'T SIMPLY DROP THE LINK IN YOUR GRAND "TA DA" MANNER... don't force others to read the entirely of your dropped link to interpret for you... QUOTE FROM YOUR LINK THE DIRECTLY PERTINENT PART/SECTION THAT ALIGNS WITH YOUR STATEMENT/CLAIM... AGAIN, BREVITY IS KEY - NO GISH GALLOP!


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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1010 on: March 21, 2019, 11:15:49 am »
still asking... still waiting! Appears it's a most inconvenient question... yet so simple/basic to the feverishly spun, "DPAs Bad... DPAs Rare", narrative.

prosecution (and presumed conviction) versus negotiated settlement ala DPA --- just who/what would realize the impact of a presumptive conviction - and how might that be any different than what might be realized through a negotiated DPA?

geezaz Rue! You drop another screed but somehow can't find the time to answer a simple question!  ;D

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1011 on: March 21, 2019, 11:18:31 am »
oh my! SNC-Lavalin President and CEO Neil Bruce states: "{I} met Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer on three occasions and the Opposition leader was "very supportive" of the company".

Yes I imagine Scheer was hoping that report would remain buried and he could continue with his holier than thou swipes at Trudeau. Now that it is out I see an even bigger hole in his credibility. Maybe this will help remove that S**t eating grin.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1012 on: March 21, 2019, 11:29:51 am »
The above is as dishonest as it gets because I did not change a damn thing I clarified and added to explain it so even people who can not gist things like you and Impact can be spoon fed. I in fact merged 3 responses into 1 because you whine my responses are too long.

 ;D you say you, "didn't change a damn thing"... other than your stated, "I clarified", "I added to explain", "in fact merged 3 responses into 1"!!! But you didn't change... a damn thing! Oh my!.

Pointedly, you scrubbed the following... as if it never existed!


scrubbed the statements (member Impact) called you out on! Like I said, you can't deal with a single focused point... instead you revert to your safe spot! You revert to your voluminous screeds, your GISH GALLOP! That's dishonest sir, very dishonest!

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1013 on: March 21, 2019, 11:41:07 am »
oh my! SNC-Lavalin President and CEO Neil Bruce states: "{I} met Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer on three occasions and the Opposition leader was "very supportive" of the company".

Apparently somebody should go over to shytehole and edify some of those folks on the issue. Betsy and her ilk have convinced themselves that Bruce said no such thing and it was just a lie perpetrated by JT.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1014 on: March 21, 2019, 12:12:20 pm »
still asking... still waiting! Appears it's a most inconvenient question... yet so simple/basic to the feverishly spun, "DPAs Bad... DPAs Rare", narrative.

prosecution (and presumed conviction) versus negotiated settlement ala DPA --- just who/what would realize the impact of a presumptive conviction - and how might that be any different than what might be realized through a negotiated DPA?

Fair question.  People can debate the merits of DPAs, and also debate whether SNC was deserving of one, but that's irrelevant to the scandal.  By law, the AG has to green-light any DPA and is the final arbiter on that decision.  By constitution, the AG, DPP, and the judiciary itself is independent in its decision making and must decide matters objectively outside of partisan political considerations or influence, or the whims of the PM, PMO, or cabinet.

The whole question is whether JWR received inappropriate pressure to make the decision they clearly wanted her to make, and if her removal from her post when she didn't was ethical.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1015 on: March 21, 2019, 12:33:31 pm »
Fair question.  People can debate the merits of DPAs, and also debate whether SNC was deserving of one, but that's irrelevant to the scandal.  By law, the AG has to green-light any DPA and is the final arbiter on that decision.  By constitution, the AG, DPP, and the judiciary itself is independent in its decision making and must decide matters objectively outside of partisan political considerations or influence, or the whims of the PM, PMO, or cabinet.

The whole question is whether JWR received inappropriate pressure to make the decision they clearly wanted her to make, and if her removal from her post when she didn't was ethical.

And that's been "the whole question" since day one, especially after JWR herself claimed there was nothing illegal occured. The issue is now in the hands of the Ethics Commissioner and we shall see what they decide. It could help I suppose if JWR were brought back in to testify once again which could happen.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1016 on: March 21, 2019, 01:32:40 pm »
;D you say you, "didn't change a damn thing"... other than your stated, "I clarified", "I added to explain", "in fact merged 3 responses into 1"!!! But you didn't change... a damn thing! Oh my!.

Pointedly, you scrubbed the following... as if it never existed!


scrubbed the statements (member Impact) called you out on! Like I said, you can't deal with a single focused point... instead you revert to your safe spot! You revert to your voluminous screeds, your GISH GALLOP! That's dishonest sir, very dishonest!

Speaking about bering dishonest. Go back and provide any words from me where I said at any time, Trudeau, the Privy Council head or Butt did provide a legal opinion. Please do so because Waldo you once again misrepresent. I never said any of them provided a legal assessment ever and said none of them was in the position to. My reference to "just a legal assessment" was in reference to you ridiculing Roussel's opinion that the dpa was not  justified and that that was not just a "legal assessment". My words are there Waldo and I call you out for lying., Provide the words where I stated Trudeau, The Privy Council head or Butt provided a legal assessment or opinion In in fact said they could not and their opinions were inappropriate and partisan and never should have been communicated to Wilson.

Once again Waldo I provided a clear rebuttal and you fabricate things I did not say or pretend they were too long for you to rebut.

Its a tiresome act but I expect it from you. To date your argument about the dpa is not based on its wording but you fabricating horseshit and tryiong to quote the Privy Council as your legal source for the interpretation of the wording of the dpa.

You are past pitiful on this thread but go on keep mucking the **** out.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1017 on: March 21, 2019, 01:37:14 pm »
ms. kimmy... you're confused (again)... that has nothin' to do with, "charges of embezzlement of funds, bribery and other wrongdoing related to contracts SNC had in Libya between 2001 and 2011". Did you actually read the G&M articles you referred to?  :-*

God is your ignorance of ther law and your attempt to make pronouncements idiotic to the point of surpassing diaheria.

Of course its relevant. It goes to a pattern of continuing behaviour showing Lavalin has been engaging in bribery and unethical practices for years and its all part of a pattern that shows no indication of stopping no matter how many executives resigned or resign or now as we see try distance themselves from Trudeau.

Prof. Waldo at it again making proclomations. What a farse. Run along Waldo. Your puffing like a legal scholar is a joke. A bloody joke.

Past and continuing patterns of criminal behaviour is of course and will always be relevant in criminal proceedings not withstanding Professor Waldo in his fantasy world wants to reinvent the law not to mention fabricate and misrepresent.



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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1018 on: March 21, 2019, 01:40:38 pm »
no - your statements were captured... quoted to you - now multiple times. You should re-read the quote as it has much more than just a reference to 'legal assessments'.

you scrubbed it - plain and simple; nothing more - nothing less! Just claim 'English is your second language'... and run along, hey!

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1019 on: March 21, 2019, 01:50:38 pm »
hey member Rue - is that like you running your mouth-off, post after post, over 'bribery in Bangladesh' - somehow you never managed to state charges were either dropped (against 2 execs) or 'thrown out' of court (against the other 3 execs). How did you manage to forget such an inconvenient fact, hey! So dishonest you are! You're nothing but a copy/paste internet lawyer!  ;D