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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #780 on: March 09, 2019, 04:39:03 pm »
Why is that any less believable than her account?

Seriously?

What does she have to gain by making false accusations?  What does she have to lose by making them?

What does he have to gain by denying them?  What does he have to lose by admitting them?
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« Reply #781 on: March 09, 2019, 04:40:25 pm »
Seriously?

What does she have to gain by making false accusations?  What does she have to lose by making them?

The spotlight, and nothing.  She's bringing public things that should have been handled privately.  It's quite clear that she wasn't ready for politics.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #782 on: March 09, 2019, 04:49:49 pm »
The spotlight, and nothing.

She's specifically getting out of politics because she doesn't want to be in the spotlight anymore, because of threats etc. to her and her family.

Nothing?  If the allegations are completely false he could sue her for libel and slander.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #783 on: March 09, 2019, 05:08:55 pm »
Nope, I certainly don't think that and I haven't seen any proof that was done. He said he asked her to reconsider the issue, but that it was her final decision. She said nothing illegal was done, but she felt some pressure she didn't like. The whole thing is still basically nebulous.

So when a boss “asks” someone under them to “reconsider” an issue, you don’t think that means they want a certain outcome?

Never mind legality, are you saying ethics don’t enter into it?
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« Reply #784 on: March 09, 2019, 05:38:10 pm »
So when a boss “asks” someone under them to “reconsider” an issue, you don’t think that means they want a certain outcome?

Never mind legality, are you saying ethics don’t enter into it?

Of course ethics matter, and so do 9000 jobs. Underscoring the latter in a discussion does not necessarily obviate the former, especially if, as has been reported, the discussion included affirmation that the final discussion was JWR's. 
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« Reply #785 on: March 09, 2019, 06:16:30 pm »
Of course ethics matter, and so do 9000 jobs. Underscoring the latter in a discussion does not necessarily obviate the former, especially if, as has been reported, the discussion included affirmation that the final discussion was JWR's.

So ethics can always be trumped. So where is the line as far as you are concerned when it comes to political involvement in law enforcement? Law enforcement is either at arms length from politics or it isn't. Make up your mind.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #786 on: March 09, 2019, 08:17:07 pm »
So many liberals are hopelessly stuck in that moment just after you have dropped your toast on the counter and are powerlessly watching to see if lands buttered side down, meanwhile it did, about a month ago.
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« Reply #787 on: March 09, 2019, 08:46:28 pm »
So ethics can always be trumped. So where is the line as far as you are concerned when it comes to political involvement in law enforcement? Law enforcement is either at arms length from politics or it isn't. Make up your mind.

JWR has said publicly that nothing illegal occurred here. JT claims he asked her to re consider while affirming to her that the final decision was hers alone to make. I don't see where ethics was "trumped". 
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #788 on: March 09, 2019, 09:19:35 pm »
JWR has said publicly that nothing illegal occurred here. JT claims he asked her to re consider while affirming to her that the final decision was hers alone to make. I don't see where ethics was "trumped".

So you do think political interference in the justice system is ethical. Noted.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #789 on: March 09, 2019, 09:40:06 pm »
So many liberals are hopelessly stuck in that moment just after you have dropped your toast on the counter and are powerlessly watching to see if lands buttered side down, meanwhile it did, about a month ago.

Fortunately, it's likely to be long forgotten by October.
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« Reply #790 on: March 09, 2019, 09:48:52 pm »
Fortunately, it's likely to be long forgotten by October.

I'll bet it's blown over by St. Paddy's Day.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #791 on: March 09, 2019, 09:53:44 pm »
Fortunately, it's likely to be long forgotten by October.

"Fortunately" That says a lot. If you guys think that anything that isn't illegal is ethical, we have a completely different view of the world.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #792 on: March 09, 2019, 10:01:01 pm »
"Fortunately" That says a lot. If you guys think that anything that isn't illegal is ethical, we have a completely different view of the world.

I think that I'd rather Trudeau than Andrew Scheer.  I'm realistic in believing that those are the only two people who can possibly end up as prime minister post election. 

I maintain that this is normal politics that has come out in the open.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #793 on: March 09, 2019, 10:11:50 pm »
I think that I'd rather Trudeau than Andrew Scheer.  I'm realistic in believing that those are the only two people who can possibly end up as prime minister post election. 

I maintain that this is normal politics that has come out in the open.

So you have no problem with politicians manipulating the legal system for political purposes. Noted.

I don't have a problem with who you might prefer as PM but I don't see how you can just blow something like this off as normal and ethical.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #794 on: March 09, 2019, 10:30:54 pm »
I say again, all we really have so far is a lot of "he said, she said". Until we have something more solid it's easy for political bias to be applied. 
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