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« Reply #750 on: March 08, 2019, 09:59:42 pm »
This story just dropped at the G&M 4 hours ago.  This is going to be all over the news tomorrow.
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« Reply #751 on: March 08, 2019, 10:33:41 pm »
As for Celina being a bit of a nutter...what made her think it was a good idea to choose that exact day to tell her boss, who is in the middle of dealing with a crisis, that she was not going to run again and she wants to announce it?  She's stated she made the decision back in the fall.  It couldn't wait a few more weeks to tell the boss?
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« Reply #752 on: March 09, 2019, 05:06:45 am »
Politicians are human beings.  We seem to forget that when we don't like the 'other guy'.

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« Reply #753 on: March 09, 2019, 08:47:47 am »
Politicians are human beings.  We seem to forget that when we don't like the 'other guy'.

This is true but Trudeau’s love of preaching to others raises the standard for his own conduct if he is to avoid being a hypocrite.
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« Reply #754 on: March 09, 2019, 09:11:54 am »
This is true but Trudeau’s love of preaching to others raises the standard for his own conduct if he is to avoid being a hypocrite.

Like I said, he's a human.  I don't expect more from any other human than from myself.
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« Reply #755 on: March 09, 2019, 09:29:00 am »
Like I said, he's a human.  I don't expect more from any other human than from myself.


Fine but someone who loves preaching to others should be aware that they will be held to a higher standard. This is being shown in polls where Trudeau’s own numbers have taken a much bigger hit than his party’s.
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« Reply #756 on: March 09, 2019, 09:36:17 am »


Fine but someone who loves preaching to others should be aware that they will be held to a higher standard. This is being shown in polls where Trudeau’s own numbers have taken a much bigger hit than his party’s.

Who says he doesn’t hold himself to a higher standard? 

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« Reply #757 on: March 09, 2019, 09:46:50 am »
Politicians are human beings.  We seem to forget that when we don't like the 'other guy'.

Yes he's human, he's also supposed to conduct himself in a professional manner and treat people respectfully, especially that he's in a position of tremendous power.  I've had lots of bad days, I've never yelled at a colleague.  I've never yelled at a colleague i had authority over and then a few weeks later stared them down and ran off in anger.

I don't understand why you keep apologizing for the man in virtually all of his misconduct.

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« Reply #758 on: March 09, 2019, 10:31:01 am »
Who says he doesn’t hold himself to a higher standard?
Wouldn’t know but Justin is fond of preaching to others which means others will hold him to the standards he preaches. I like some of the things he stands for but the holier than thou attitude he often projects has always grated on me.
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« Reply #759 on: March 09, 2019, 11:02:47 am »
Yes he's human, he's also supposed to conduct himself in a professional manner and treat people respectfully, especially that he's in a position of tremendous power.  I've had lots of bad days, I've never yelled at a colleague.

A ) She's not his colleague, he's her boss.
B ) We only know what she says happened - we don't know what his conduct actually was or what she did.

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« Reply #760 on: March 09, 2019, 11:32:56 am »
A ) She's not his colleague, he's her boss.
B ) We only know what she says happened - we don't know what his conduct actually was or what she did.

The AG is not the PM's colleague or employee, they are responsible for enforcing the country's laws, period. The PM may be able to hire and fire the AG but they are independent as long as they are AG. This is really not much different from Trump's treatment of the US AG's, just done behind the scenes instead of on Twitter and FOX News.
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« Reply #761 on: March 09, 2019, 12:00:45 pm »
The AG is not the PM's colleague or employee, they are responsible for enforcing the country's laws, period. The PM may be able to hire and fire the AG but they are independent as long as they are AG.

Sure, and he 'fired' her.  That's what this is about.  And really, when it comes down to it, the AG is a cabinet minister - they are supposed to make decisions in consultation with cabinet, even if the final decision is theirs alone.  It's now known that she was being stubborn and was keeping legal opinions from cabinet related to this case.
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« Reply #762 on: March 09, 2019, 12:17:48 pm »
Sure, and he 'fired' her.  That's what this is about.  And really, when it comes down to it, the AG is a cabinet minister - they are supposed to make decisions in consultation with cabinet, even if the final decision is theirs alone.  It's now known that she was being stubborn and was keeping legal opinions from cabinet related to this case.

Not the AG. The law isn't a political consensus. If a government doesn't like a law, then change it. Until then, obey it.
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« Reply #763 on: March 09, 2019, 12:21:16 pm »
Not the AG. The law isn't a political consensus. If a government doesn't like a law, then change it. Until then, obey it.

Except this issue isn't about obeying or changing a law, it was about whether or not to apply an existing law.

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« Reply #764 on: March 09, 2019, 12:49:55 pm »
People have emotions, disagreements, and arguments.  Stop the presses.  Well, most of the media already did. 

Seriously, this is a story?

Only in that it somewhat flies in the face of Trudeau's talk of building a warm, welcoming place where people could talk to him freely to share their concerns and discuss issues and blah blah blah.  Ms Caesar-Chavannes' account of how Trudeau reacted when she approached him with her issues makes Trudeau's description of his cabinet seem doubtful.  He was already mad, he was having a bad day, he had lots of other things on his mind, he probably didn't want to deal with her **** at that moment... but isn't that basically pretty much every day in a Prime Minister's life?  If he was having a bad day and frustrated and running out of patience when CCC called him to tell him she wasn't going to seek reelection, isn't it pretty likely that he was in about the same mood when he was trying to get JWR to change her mind regarding SNC?


I have long believed that Prime Minister Trudeau is, in fact, a very "alpha" man.  People think he's a wimp because of his soft spoken and "woke" manner and endorsement of progressive and humanist ideas. But people are wrong-- this guy is not a wimp. This is a guy who will go do a town hall with a room full of angry Calgarian oil workers or angry native rights activists without even flinching. He's the opposite of Trump.  Trump puts on this big fake alpha-male act to overcompensate for the fact that deep inside, he's an insecure little man who desperately needs people to think he's a big deal.  Trudeau is the opposite-- he doesn't need to do anything to act "alpha" because he's extremely secure and confident.  He projects a patient, gentle, understanding persona, but I have no doubt that he can also be a very imposing person.   

I have known a few people like this... one of my coworkers in particular comes to mind. A guy who is incredibly pleasant and reasonable and respectful, but when he's had enough-- a customer is being a dick, a door-to-door salesman won't take no for an answer, the street people outside are raising a ruckus, or whatever-- pleasant and respectful go out the window and you see an incredibly forceful personality take over the situation and deal with all bullshit very quickly.  I believe Trudeau is probably much the same.  CCC called him up in the middle of a crisis to bother her with **** he didn't have time for and thought she'd be talking to the Sunny Ways guy, but instead she ended up talking to the formidable no-time-for-this-**** guy instead.

That's my sense, anyway.  My hunch is that when the doors are closed, Mr Trudeau is a much more commanding and imposing person than the gentle, woke person we see on TV, and is used to getting what he wants.

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