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Offline waldo

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« Reply #705 on: March 07, 2019, 11:53:00 pm »
Meanwhile the Public Prosecution Service is now on Twitter.

are you there yet... is that the Crown you were so confused over?  ;D

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« Reply #706 on: March 08, 2019, 12:10:25 am »
Meanwhile the Public Prosecution Service is now on Twitter. Their very first tweet was yesterday! They're tweeting like crazy and are now all the way up to 5 tweets! Imagine!


for those who don't know... informative - good on ya! By the by, perhaps you're confused and think this is relevant to the thread... are you aware of any suggestions/allegations that the PPSC independence was challenged or prosecutors came under improper influence? (please don't score another own goal on yourself!)

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« Reply #707 on: March 08, 2019, 12:25:04 am »
Finally I will say it one last time for the Liberals on this forum. A dpa is predicated on an alleged criminal BEFORE not after they are charged, voluntarily approaching the crown on their case and offering to make restitution. That's not conjecture its how the law works.

try to keep up, hey!

notwithstanding DPAs have a principal aim to allow companies to self-disclose their "wrong doings" (that may never be known without self-disclosure), for those company's 'caught' before self-disclosure, sufficient equivalencies to extend beyond your described "minimums" are needed. As I read/interpret, practical extensions beyond minimal statutory requirements have been formalized in both U.S. & UK deployments of DPA legislation - no biggee/SOP! As I interpret, pre-and-post remediation efforts undertaken by companies, upon evaluation, might qualify as mitigating circumstance in determining "sentencing". Of course, for some reason you seem to overlook the fact negotiated DPAs are subject to judicial review and court authorization... you did know that, right?

speaking of SNC-Lavalin, as I've noted previously, the company has undertaken significant efforts towards remediation. You may choose to accept/respect the following SNC-Lavalin authored summary - or not; note: this is an extract from a formal SNC-Lavalin response to their notification a DPA would not be considered. Perhaps you might choose to offer your personal interpretation and evaluation of the following - yes?



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« Reply #708 on: March 08, 2019, 12:52:17 am »
Well Waldo and Omni? You think ignoring me makes what Trudeau did go away?

did what? No illegalities... even St. Jody said so. The only person claiming "improper pressure" is JWR. While you're so advocating for St. Jody, perhaps you could speak to why she refused to provide a most relevant report to the PCO - hence to cabinet? C'mon buddy, you keep calling others out - why don't you answer for why she spiked that report!


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« Reply #709 on: March 08, 2019, 01:17:18 am »
I seem to remember these Liberals on this forum lecture many of us that the West is to blame for the problems of the third world by propping evil dictators. However if Lavalin does that and bribes these evil dictators Omni has no issues with that and none of these other leftist do gooders do. Suddenly when its a Liberal gets into bed with an unethical, corrupt multi-national that pays off dictators and war criminals, its o.k. because it employs Canadians?

BULL ****.

Run along Waldo and Omni your Lord's head is jammed for far up his buttocks not even Grant Garneau, who has flown in dark spaces can help him.

your posting history on DPAs clearly shows you're having extreme difficulties in understanding intent and practice.

again, those select few executives involved in the Libyan concern are long gone from the company. From what I've read, what I've chosen to post here, from 2012 on through to present day, SNC-Lavalin has made a genuine, concerted effort to introduce serious remedial change (see 2 posts back for a listing example of changes introduced/actions taken). In such a circumstance who are you so clamoring to convict... without regard to innocent employees/supply-chain personnel, stock-holders, pensioners, etc.,; those who did nothing wrong and had no involvement with the improper criminal events in the 'Libyan affair'? Does a company have blood... does it have enough to satisfy your thirst?

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« Reply #710 on: March 08, 2019, 01:27:40 am »
not a bite... not a single bite - go figure!




https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-179.html

recognizing the correlation of the DPA clause in question; correlation with the 'Foreign Corruption Act': a point of clarification from yesterday's testimony; if you choose not to accept it, please provide an actual legal interpretation you prefer - something other than your personal interpretations - yes? One journalist captured it:



for all the words written over this point, and the dependencies placed upon it... might ConMedia hacks actually give this clarification notice/attention?

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #711 on: March 08, 2019, 05:31:36 am »
 :o  IT'S A WALL O WALDO !
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« Reply #712 on: March 08, 2019, 08:07:42 am »
That's not only DUMB, it's sack o' hammers dumb. But we don't have a clicker to that extreme.

Eight posts in a row. That must be some sort of record on this forum. A
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #716 on: March 08, 2019, 09:59:49 am »
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/jody-wilson-raybould-snc-lavalin-scandal-system-working/?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR29LSmWtDEz0J7Ii5S9lq_elRi-mTbyQOzthJhQ6AlNse8xtEKB1tPPDFU#Echobox=1551810261

SNC Lavalin scandals proves the system works ?

I agree with some of his conclusions-- "The events of the past month show us what accountability looks like between elections." And the idea that the better yardstick is not the absence of scandals but rather how the system handles them.


Key quote:
"We know our system is working when the safeguards we’ve put in place to address government chicanery kick in and do their job. "

But was it the safeguards in the system?  We only know about this whole affair because of a leaked story in the G&M.  And if the AG had been some pliable peon rather than someone who took the principle of PPSC seriously, they would probably just done as the PM and his allies "suggested" in the first place.  I'd suggest that the only reason this came to light was an unusual set of circumstances, not safeguards inherent in the system.

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« Reply #717 on: March 08, 2019, 10:24:22 am »
I agree with some of his conclusions-- "The events of the past month show us what accountability looks like between elections." And the idea that the better yardstick is not the absence of scandals but rather how the system handles them.

And the fact that we are actually talking about this as what it is. 

 

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« Reply #718 on: March 08, 2019, 10:29:22 am »
In this case the only safeguard was a minister who would not be cowed by her boss. It shows how flimsy our safeguards are.
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« Reply #719 on: March 08, 2019, 11:23:50 am »
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