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Offline waldo

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« Reply #600 on: March 05, 2019, 02:11:13 pm »
wait, what... ever the slightest chink in the ConMedia onslaught!


oh my... another chink?

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« Reply #601 on: March 05, 2019, 02:16:50 pm »
When a minister doesn't agree with the cabinet's position on an issue, if they are principled, then they must step down.

I guess since JWR (Justice Minister/AG) wouldn't express her personal view on DPAs (directly during Justice Committee testimony or even before a related Senate committee taking up the DPA related bill portions), following your lead, one can't ascertain if her refusal to resign over that 3 month period... was because she had no principles - yes?

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« Reply #602 on: March 05, 2019, 03:55:50 pm »
oh my... another chink?



Using Micheal Coren to make your point is really funny.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #603 on: March 05, 2019, 04:50:05 pm »
1-Nonsense if this had been a Tory government that pulled this sheeyat you'd be screaming for resignations.

In case you missed it, little boy Andrew has been screaming for resignations for weeks.

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« Reply #604 on: March 05, 2019, 04:53:51 pm »
Beside the committee meeting tomorrow morning (10am) with Gerry Butts testifying, we now have one in the afternoon (2pm) with:
• Nathalie G. Drouin, Deputy Minister of Justice and Deputy Attorney General of Canada
• Michael Wernick, Clerk of the Privy Council and Secretary to the Cabinet
 

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #605 on: March 05, 2019, 04:58:11 pm »
Using Micheal Coren to make your point is really funny.
What is funnier is the notion people who don't worship the progressive view of "feminism" or "aboriginal rights" don't care about them. That is the problem with progressives. They are quick to talk about to accept "her truth" when it suits them but when someone expresses an opinion they disagree with they start screaming "homophobe/transphobe/racist/misogynist/denier" because they don't want to accept that reasonable people can have different opinions.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #606 on: March 05, 2019, 05:10:36 pm »
Beside the committee meeting tomorrow morning (10am) with Gerry Butts testifying, we now have one in the afternoon (2pm) with:
• Nathalie G. Drouin, Deputy Minister of Justice and Deputy Attorney General of Canada
• Michael Wernick, Clerk of the Privy Council and Secretary to the Cabinet

I've been looking fwd to hear just what Butts has to say on the issue but now we get more. Should be an interesting day.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #607 on: March 05, 2019, 06:24:49 pm »
Because I realize that this is normal politics, and it happens all of the time.

Yes it is normal, & yes it happens all the time.  But it shouldn't.  It almost always happens behind closed doors, & people with power usually get away with it.  Harper became arrogant & foolish & his bullying politics came out in the open & the government lost an election over it.

A PM will punish an MP for not falling in line as they often do, & the MP/Minister will usually STFU & take it.  More often instead the Minister will bow to the PM's will because they want to kiss their boss' ass & care more about their career than their ethics.  At least from what I've seen so far, JWR cared more about her ethics than her career, & risked being removed from her post for doing her job, & when she was removed she didn't just STFU & take it, she stood up for herself & blew the whistle & has brought the PMO to its knees.  They messed with the wrong person, she is one tough SOB.

Let's see what Butts has to say & reserve final judgement.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #608 on: March 05, 2019, 06:36:52 pm »
What is funnier is the notion people who don't worship the progressive view of "feminism" or "aboriginal rights" don't care about them. That is the problem with progressives. They are quick to talk about to accept "her truth" when it suits them but when someone expresses an opinion they disagree with they start screaming "homophobe/transphobe/racist/misogynist/denier" because they don't want to accept that reasonable people can have different opinions.

The Trudeau gov't has probably been pandering to this attitude somewhat, and it's going to come back to bite them in the ass when they characterize JWR as a liar, emotional, not a team player, etc.

Although I do disagree with you on how widespread this issue is...  I think there are activists and SJWs with this attitude, but not the general public who are left-leaning.
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« Reply #609 on: March 05, 2019, 06:39:53 pm »
Lisa Raitt is 100% correct. Cabinet Ministers are required to show public consensus, since they are the government itself. When a minister doesn't agree with the cabinet's position on an issue, if they are principled, then they must step down. Invoking her emotions as a weapon against her is a sexist move AT BEST. This is never an argument invoked against men in government. Not even against emotional trainwrecks like Trump.

Waldo has no issues whatsoever with "manslpaining" or sexist attitudes when it suits his agenda ...  look at his interactions with "Ms. Kimmy". 
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« Reply #610 on: March 05, 2019, 06:49:47 pm »
If the Liberals were really smart and Machiavellian, they'd dump Trudeau as leader, rally behind JWR and reinforce the whole folk hero narrative around her, make her leader, shift a few of their policies a bit more towards the center, and ride out of the upcoming election with another majority.
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« Reply #611 on: March 05, 2019, 06:54:55 pm »
If the Liberals were really smart and Machiavellian, they'd dump Trudeau as leader, rally behind JWR and reinforce the whole folk hero narrative around her, make her leader, shift a few of their policies a bit more towards the center, and ride out of the upcoming election with another majority.

Ha. May I suggest you stick to your more sensible idea of waiting to hear Butts etal.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #612 on: March 05, 2019, 06:55:50 pm »
If the Liberals were really smart and Machiavellian, they'd dump Trudeau as leader, rally behind JWR and reinforce the whole folk hero narrative around her, make her leader, shift a few of their policies a bit more towards the center, and ride out of the upcoming election with another majority.

Too risky...   they will wait it out...   throw some staffers under the bus if they absolutely have to and hope for the best.

JWR and Jane Phillpot were supposed to be Liberal bright lights...  and they had to leave on account of a lack of ethics within the gov't.   I suspect the same old clowns are running the Liberal circus behind the scenes.  And we know how ethical they were in the past....

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« Reply #613 on: March 05, 2019, 07:02:12 pm »
Too risky...   they will wait it out...   throw some staffers under the bus if they absolutely have to and hope for the best.

JWR and Jane Phillpot were supposed to be Liberal bright lights...  and they had to leave on account of a lack of ethics within the gov't.   I suspect the same old clowns are running the Liberal circus behind the scenes.  And we know how ethical they were in the past....

You prefer the Scheer/Faith Goldy approach do ya?
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #614 on: March 05, 2019, 07:52:19 pm »
Using Micheal Coren to make your point is really funny.
What is funnier is the notion people who don't worship the progressive view of "feminism" or "aboriginal rights" don't care about them. That is the problem with progressives.

c'mon Boges... if ConMediaMan Coren is questioning... that was the point you clearly missed! TimG, your deep-thinking is too deep to apply to what Coren said!