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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #585 on: March 05, 2019, 10:07:10 am »
I'm still mystified that some otherwise-smart people don't see why politicians interfering in a pending prosecution is problematic.

Because I realize that this is normal politics, and it happens all of the time.  Most politicians with their outrage meter not set to full have said as much.  It's not like they were asking for something illegal - that would be different.

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But of course, Trudeau's inept handling of the issue and ever-changing explanation has certainly not helped.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #586 on: March 05, 2019, 10:11:17 am »
Because I realize that this is normal politics, and it happens all of the time.  Most politicians with their outrage meter not set to full have said as much.  It's not like they were asking for something illegal - that would be different.


1-Nonsense if this had been a Tory government that pulled this sheeyat you'd be screaming for resignations.
2-You need to read s.121 of the Criminal Code before you make a legal pronouncement. It is conceivable a charge could be layed under this section. 5 former AG's are pressuring the government  in this regard and if Trudeau keeps manifesting such wilful arrogance as to what he did this may establish sufficient grounds to show he violated s.121 deliberately. He needs to shut up. I can not imagine anyone advising him at this juncture is a lawyer. No lawyer advising him would have allowed him to comment as he has for the last week or so incriminating himself.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #587 on: March 05, 2019, 10:14:12 am »
Because I realize that this is normal politics, and it happens all of the time.  For sure.

Do provide an example of a standing government's Prime Minister or Premier trying to pressure the Crown to drop a criminal trial from proceeding. Provide examples of how normal this is. Good luck. No its not normal politics. Don't be absurd. It has never happened in the history of Canada's criminal system.

There have been charges and convictions of influence peddling but NEVER where the PM let alone the Privy Council were the ones engaged in the influence peddling. You need to read up on what you refer to because you are not in touch with reality let alone case law.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #588 on: March 05, 2019, 10:15:52 am »
What does that have to do with what I said?

Nothing, which is not surprising. You prefer speculation over facts. Maybe you can write a miniseries.

Nonsense. You call what JWR said speculation because it doesn't conform to your partisan bias in favour of Trudeau's calling his influence peddling "simple pressuring that was misunderstood".
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #589 on: March 05, 2019, 10:16:09 am »
1-Nonsense if this had been a Tory government that pulled this sheeyat you'd be screaming for resignations.


Apparently you don't know my posting history at MLW....
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #590 on: March 05, 2019, 10:16:36 am »
Do provide an example of a standing government's Prime Minister or Premier trying to pressure the Crown to drop a criminal trial from proceeding.

That's not what happened.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #591 on: March 05, 2019, 10:27:06 am »
Perhaps stop wasting time, or slip over to mlw where it is much more acceptable.

For someone who does not read or care what I write you keep responding.

By the way the arrogance, presuming what is acceptable on the forum, got one word for you Omni----ahahahahahahahaah.

Its a long word. You may not want to read it.

Stop being so petulant. Your fearless leader is an idiot, got caught engaged in unethical sleeze bag influence peddling and now has his cabinet resigning.

You want to sulk about it go ahead.

Got news for you, telling the world let alone moi any reality you can't handle is unacceptable is a hoot. Please tell me more.

Is it acceptable to violate s.121 of the Criminal Code?

Is it acceptable to place yourself as Lord Justin did in a conflict of interest?

Do you think its acceptable for a non partisan civil servant to pressure a Minister into considering the Prime Minister's moods let alone non legal political considerations to try stop a trial?

Oh go on. Explain why you think its appropriate for corporations to be treated with a double standard. Go on.

Stop sulking and defend him.

This crap you and Impact play that you can't say anything because its speculation is a gigantic crock of manure.

The two of you have not a clue how to defend what Trudeau did so you say its speculation?

Speculation? Lol. Yah after he admitted in public not once but many times trying to pressure JWR to consider partisan factors not allowed for her to consider in her AG role, you want to call that speculation? Its a little late for that. The Privy Council head and Trudeau already admitted what they did.

At this point saying its not illegal is a farsical response.

This is about conflict of interest and ethics. Hiding behind the word "its legal" does not undo what it is and why no politician should engage in it.

Or do you want to point to all the Prime Ministers and Premiers who have tried to hlt criminal proceedings after allowing the accused in that criminal proceeding to lobbying them not once but 80 times.

Do explain.

Stop whining, stop sulking, stop acting like a petulant angry Liberal  and stand up and defend your beloved because I will tell  you something, at this point your refusal to deal with the issue is like pretending an elephant didn't **** on your carpet. That smell it just aint going anywhere no matter how much you call that elephant dung speculative.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #592 on: March 05, 2019, 10:37:58 am »
Apparently you don't know my posting history at MLW....

Sure I do. You show a complete double standard. Lol. Yah I know you are completely bi partisan in your views.

Give it a rest.

Don't try tell me you hold all governments of Canada to the same standard.

However that is not really the issue. You are entitled to be a Liberal disciple. Just have the balls to admit it.

See me I have no problem admitting I think Trudeau is an idiot and a narcissistic, deeply flawed, moron who comes from a privileged
and sheltered world where no one said no to him. I also think he comes from a world where he was adored and so expects to be adored. I
also think he comes from a world where he was led to believe all women are week and in need of his protection and if they don't want his patronization
he recoils in horror.

I don't think a narcissist like Trudeau can handle any world where someone does not think like him or adore him let alone where women would not
idolize him and never question him.

Its not an accident he can't deal with strong women, surrounds himself with effeminate men, walks like h e has a duck up his ass, and constantly contradicts himself.

See I say it right out in the open. He's a deeply flawed individual and the only reason he was elected is because at this point our politicians are so devoid of personality and pizzazz that some pot heads voted him in thinking his youthful vigor would sweep the nation.

Now we are faced with Mr. Dimples about to inherit the country.

I am starting an elect Celine Dion campaign.

Now you go back to adoring Lord Justin. I have other Liberals to crush. 

You know I will say this, dealing with Trudeau supporters is like dealing with bubble wrap....pop pop pop pop.

It reminds me teenagers and pimples.




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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #593 on: March 05, 2019, 12:16:13 pm »
For someone who does not read or care what I write you keep responding.

By the way the arrogance, presuming what is acceptable on the forum, got one word for you Omni----ahahahahahahahaah.

Its a long word. You may not want to read it.

Stop being so petulant. Your fearless leader is an idiot, got caught engaged in unethical sleeze bag influence peddling and now has his cabinet resigning.

You want to sulk about it go ahead.

Got news for you, telling the world let alone moi any reality you can't handle is unacceptable is a hoot. Please tell me more.

Is it acceptable to violate s.121 of the Criminal Code?

Is it acceptable to place yourself as Lord Justin did in a conflict of interest?

Do you think its acceptable for a non partisan civil servant to pressure a Minister into considering the Prime Minister's moods let alone non legal political considerations to try stop a trial?

Oh go on. Explain why you think its appropriate for corporations to be treated with a double standard. Go on.

Stop sulking and defend him.

This crap you and Impact play that you can't say anything because its speculation is a gigantic crock of manure.

The two of you have not a clue how to defend what Trudeau did so you say its speculation?

Speculation? Lol. Yah after he admitted in public not once but many times trying to pressure JWR to consider partisan factors not allowed for her to consider in her AG role, you want to call that speculation? Its a little late for that. The Privy Council head and Trudeau already admitted what they did.

At this point saying its not illegal is a farsical response.

This is about conflict of interest and ethics. Hiding behind the word "its legal" does not undo what it is and why no politician should engage in it.

Or do you want to point to all the Prime Ministers and Premiers who have tried to hlt criminal proceedings after allowing the accused in that criminal proceeding to lobbying them not once but 80 times.

Do explain.

Stop whining, stop sulking, stop acting like a petulant angry Liberal  and stand up and defend your beloved because I will tell  you something, at this point your refusal to deal with the issue is like pretending an elephant didn't **** on your carpet. That smell it just aint going anywhere no matter how much you call that elephant dung speculative.

Again mostly nonsense and your s.121 doesn't apply. Keep a tryin'.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #594 on: March 05, 2019, 01:22:57 pm »
I checked the new Ipsos political poll. The Conservatives have opened an 8 point lead on the Liberals. At this rate, Canada may be looking at a Conservative majority in the fall.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #595 on: March 05, 2019, 01:23:27 pm »
oh my - another resignation - more to fuel the ConMedia and ilk's obsession with a fake scandal. Apparently, the other 32 Cabinet Ministers are said to be even more united now that the 2 'closest of friends' have chosen to take their own leave. That's uhhh, 33 Cabinet Ministers (including the PM) versus a couple of bffs! Oh waldo... did you (and others) just go there?

speaking of fueling  ;D

Quote from: Finance Minister Bill Morneau
Jane Philpott is a close personal friend of Jody Wilson-Raybould. She took a decision, I respect her decision. She was a good colleague, and she’ll take the decision that makes the most sense to her

apparently, Raitt took exception - so emotional!



should tomorrow Butts' testimony not continue to favour the fake scandal narrative, well... Jody's believers will be out in full force continuing to speak, 'Jody's truth'!

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« Reply #596 on: March 05, 2019, 01:43:59 pm »


yabut waldo, what about any recognized Indigenous leaders... other than some spoken alignment with 'Jody's truth', have any of them come out to directly criticize the Trudeau government? If not, why not, hey!
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« Reply #597 on: March 05, 2019, 02:01:02 pm »
wait, what... ever the slightest chink in the ConMedia onslaught!

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #598 on: March 05, 2019, 02:02:29 pm »
oh my - another resignation - more to fuel the ConMedia and ilk's obsession with a fake scandal. Apparently, the other 32 Cabinet Ministers are said to be even more united now that the 2 'closest of friends' have chosen to take their own leave. That's uhhh, 33 Cabinet Ministers (including the PM) versus a couple of bffs! Oh waldo... did you (and others) just go there?

speaking of fueling  ;D

apparently, Raitt took exception - so emotional!



should tomorrow Butts' testimony not continue to favour the fake scandal narrative, well... Jody's believers will be out in full force continuing to speak, 'Jody's truth'!
Lisa Raitt is 100% correct. Cabinet Ministers are required to show public consensus, since they are the government itself. When a minister doesn't agree with the cabinet's position on an issue, if they are principled, then they must step down. Invoking her emotions as a weapon against her is a sexist move AT BEST. This is never an argument invoked against men in government. Not even against emotional trainwrecks like Trump.
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« Reply #599 on: March 05, 2019, 02:03:58 pm »
waldo, you are seriously grasping at straws. You need to recognize how damaging this is to Trudeau.