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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #555 on: March 04, 2019, 04:05:06 pm »
I'm hoping that somehow this issue gets beyond the "he said, she said" level, whichever way it goes.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #556 on: March 04, 2019, 04:19:05 pm »
My guess...

Much better to wait and hear what he has to say. I remember a couple of weeks back when JWR was scheduled to testify,someone in here (too many messages for me to find out who) said that she will cozy up to Trudeau and cover it up. Too much speculation going on, lets see what actually happens.

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« Reply #557 on: March 04, 2019, 04:19:22 pm »
I'm hoping that somehow this issue gets beyond the "he said, she said" level, whichever way it goes.

How could it?  Meetings aren't recorded. 

It seems to me that the PMO put political pressure to influence the outcome of criminal proceedings...   either you are OK with that for whatever reason, or you're not.  Personally, I don't think that's right.  I think it's something that would happen in a banana republic. 

Others hang their hat on the fact that it's OK because it was saving jobs...  or they are clinging to semantics about what is "pressure" and what isn't to support the gov't.

Now we have another Minister in the gov't resign over the matter...  and you want to hear from Butts?  That's kind of odd to me considering he's a political appointee who will likely support his boss come hell or high water...   Phillpot didn't need to wait to hear what Butts had to say...
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #558 on: March 04, 2019, 04:22:07 pm »
Much better to wait and hear what he has to say. I remember a couple of weeks back when JWR was scheduled to testify,someone in here (too many messages for me to find out who) said that she will cozy up to Trudeau and cover it up. Too much speculation going on, lets see what actually happens.

Meh...  he will likely support Trudeau, his boss and buddy, despite what they did.   I think Philpott resigning says a lot more about what happened than anything a PMO guy in short pants has to say...   I never liked Harper's yes-men in the PMO who could overrule elected officials....   I'm not a fan of Trudeau's who seem to be doing the same thing.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #559 on: March 04, 2019, 04:26:46 pm »
It seems to me that the PMO put political pressure to influence the outcome of criminal proceedings...   either you are OK with that for whatever reason, or you're not.  Personally, I don't think that's right.  I think it's something that would happen in a banana republic.
One caveat: as JWR said, it is perfectly reasonable for cabinet members to raise the issues that should be considered. The problem here is it went way beyond that to the point where JWR was shuffled out of her job because she did not do what they wanted.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #560 on: March 04, 2019, 04:28:34 pm »
How could it?  Meetings aren't recorded. 

It seems to me that the PMO put political pressure to influence the outcome of criminal proceedings...   either you are OK with that for whatever reason, or you're not.  Personally, I don't think that's right.  I think it's something that would happen in a banana republic. 

Others hang their hat on the fact that it's OK because it was saving jobs...  or they are clinging to semantics about what is "pressure" and what isn't to support the gov't.

Now we have another Minister in the gov't resign over the matter...  and you want to hear from Butts?  That's kind of odd to me considering he's a political appointee who will likely support his boss come hell or high water...   Phillpot didn't need to wait to hear what Butts had to say...

I'll wait until I hear what he has to say and then jump to conclusions which seems to be the standard approach on this issue.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #561 on: March 04, 2019, 04:54:18 pm »
Not good for Trudeau.  3 resignations now if you include Butts.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #562 on: March 04, 2019, 04:59:39 pm »
Not good for Trudeau.  3 resignations now if you include Butts.

Butts didn't resign in any sort of protest or disagreement with the PM's handling of SNC-L.

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« Reply #563 on: March 04, 2019, 05:03:32 pm »
Butts didn't resign in any sort of protest or disagreement with the PM's handling of SNC-L.

Which is why I wait to hear what he has to say Wednesday.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #564 on: March 04, 2019, 05:04:35 pm »
Butts didn't resign in any sort of protest or disagreement with the PM's handling of SNC-L.

Yes but a trusted confidant bit the dust over a scandal.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #565 on: March 04, 2019, 05:05:45 pm »
I'm hoping that somehow this issue gets beyond the "he said, she said" level, whichever way it goes.

Would like to see all these texts/emails etc that are apparently out there.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #566 on: March 04, 2019, 05:06:58 pm »
I'll wait until I hear what he has to say and then jump to conclusions which seems to be the standard approach on this issue.

You mean remain in denial.

Here let me help with the definition:

"denial: believing or imagining that some painful or traumatic circumstance, event or memory does not exist or did not happen.

denial (in psychology): failure to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit into consciousness, used as a defense mechanism."1

1-https://www.powerofpositivity.com/5-behaviors-show-someone-denial/

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"Or in the case  of Justin Trudeau forgetting to turn the vibrator off before stepping into the shower."

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #567 on: March 04, 2019, 05:07:40 pm »
Butts didn't resign in any sort of protest or disagreement with the PM's handling of SNC-L.

Yah it was just a bad case of hemmeroids.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #568 on: March 04, 2019, 05:09:00 pm »
Much better to wait and hear what he has to say.  Too much speculation going on, lets see what actually happens.

Ouch your head hurts. Yah you didn't hear or understand a thing Jody said.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #569 on: March 04, 2019, 05:10:44 pm »
One caveat: as JWR said, it is perfectly reasonable for cabinet members to raise the issues that should be considered..

Not with and never with the AG. If nothing else it was the Privy Council's head to state that repeatedly to the PM and his list of pressurizers.
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