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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #540 on: March 04, 2019, 09:37:21 am »
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-more-than-half-of-canadians-say-charges-against-snc-lavalin-should-go/

Canadians clearly don't care about jobs.  ::)


Of course.  "Too big to fail"/"Too big to jail" are wildly unpopular narratives, and those are essentially Trudeau's rationales for not dropping the ban-hammer on SNC-Lavalin.


SNC CEO Neal Bruce hasn't exactly charmed people either, delightful Scottish accent notwithstanding.  His comments smack of an air of entitlement-- they feel entitled to a deferred prosecution agreement-- which is a pretty galling attitude for a guy running a company with such a disgraceful track record.  "That was all before 2012! It was all the work of a few rogue executives who are no longer with the company! It's not the company's fault that a few rogue executives broke the law! We've put in place a new ethics program!"   The company's conduct in this Libya business and a number of other instances, such as the McGill hospital bid, was just shameful. Nobody likes the idea of letting them off the hook for it.   When you have such a number of notable ethics violation in such a short span of time, what you have isn't "a few rogue executives", what you have is a cultural problem. Despite paying lip service to the idea that "what happened before 2012 should never have happened", Mr Bruce and SNC take no ownership of it and show no contrition for it. This kind of arrogance and entitlement from a profligate serial offender rubs people the wrong way, to say the least.


I think people are also not convinced that these jobs will just evaporate. The work will be done whether it's by SNC or by other companies, and those other companies will need employees to do the work that SNC won't be able to bid.  And maybe competitors who've lost bids because of SNC corruption deserve to make some money while SNC sits in the penalty box. People talk as if SNC is the only engineering company in Canada or the only one in Quebec, but it isn't. There are many, including Montreal-based WSP, which is almost as large as SNC.  SNC's competitors have been cheated by SNC corruption.  Where's the justice for them?


I also think people aren't swayed by the "what about investors?" argument.  Investors have known for years that they own shares in a corrupt company.  Investors profited directly from said corruption.  If they still own shares in spite of the numerous publicly known scandals SNC has been involved in, they deserve to take a hit.  In hanging on to those shares, they've gambled that SNC could escape financial consequences of their misdeeds, and I don't feel much sympathy for people who gamble and lose.


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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #541 on: March 04, 2019, 09:45:11 am »
A Nanos poll put out said that only 17% of Canadians would vote based on this issue above others, so....

It's also worth noting that the DPP has said that there was no undue pressure.

The DPP wasn't under undue pressure because JWR shielded her from it.


As to the poll... I don't think this is going to kill the Trudeau government.  This scandal isn't nearly as bad as the sponsorship scandal, and the Liberals still managed to win a minority government after that came to light.  This will certainly damage people's faith in the "brand", but people just aren't impressed by the alternatives. Scheer sucks. Nobody wants an NDP government.  And, this story probably helps the Liberals win votes in Quebec, which is the real difference maker.  "'ey, de Trudeau, 'e really stick out de neck for de SNC, ey?" Quebec voters are probably somewhat happy that the Liberals went this far to save their company.


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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #542 on: March 04, 2019, 12:10:26 pm »
if anyone cares to notice my absence (hey Pinus ;D), I'll be gone for a while

Enjoy your time off.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #543 on: March 04, 2019, 02:31:34 pm »
The notion that 9000 jobs would just disappear from the economy if SNC-Lavalin were prevented from receiving federal contracts for 10 years is mistaken.

I don't think that was ever an argument. The point is SNC-Lavalin might move out of Canada (head office, etc.) if they are unable to compete on federal contracts. Yes the federal business might go elsewhere, but still lots of Canadian jobs will be lost.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #544 on: March 04, 2019, 02:38:11 pm »
PHILPOTT RESIGNS !!  :o
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #545 on: March 04, 2019, 02:51:29 pm »
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/i-have-lost-confidence-jane-philpott-resigns-from-cabinet-over-trudeaus-handling-of-snc-lavalin-affair/ar-BBUn6xf?li=AAggNb9&ocid=spartandhp

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“The evidence of efforts by politicians and/or officials to pressure the former Attorney General to intervene in the criminal case involving SNC-Lavalin, and the evidence as to the content of those efforts have raised serious concerns for me,” she wrote.

“Those concerns have been augmented by the views expressed by my constituents and other Canadians.”

She continued, adding that the “solemn principles” of judicial independence was at stake in the matter.

“Sadly, I have lost confidence in how the government had dealt with this matter and in how it has responded to the issues raised.”


Yikes. :o
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #546 on: March 04, 2019, 03:09:47 pm »
Liberal government handling of this affair has been atrocious...  they seem to be coming apart at the seems (at the Cabinet level, no less).  It remains to be seen how far this extends to other Ministers or backbenchers.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #547 on: March 04, 2019, 03:10:07 pm »
Okay this is bad.
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« Reply #548 on: March 04, 2019, 03:20:08 pm »
Yes this could certainly hurt JT. I'll be interested in his response.

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« Reply #549 on: March 04, 2019, 03:22:44 pm »
On the other hand several prominent lawyers on Twitter have had to retract claims that DPAs cannot weight economic considerations.  That is in fact not the case.

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« Reply #550 on: March 04, 2019, 03:22:53 pm »
Philpot’s resignation is an unmitigated disaster for Trudeau. She’s a principled Liberal, so there’s no sugar coating the problem now (though I’m sure Waldo will try).
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #551 on: March 04, 2019, 03:26:07 pm »
On the other hand several prominent lawyers on Twitter have had to retract claims that DPAs cannot weight economic considerations.  That is in fact not the case.

"There's a vote in Quebec...   I'm a Quebec MP..."     Those are not economic considerations.

Treasury Board is a major portfolio.  This is a huge loss and an embarrassment for this government.  Shuffle those deck chairs!!
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #552 on: March 04, 2019, 03:36:46 pm »
Notice of meeting
Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (JUST)
42nd Parliament, 1st Session
 
Meeting 137
Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.
Room 415, Wellington Building, 197 Sparks Street
Televised
 
Remediation Agreements, the Shawcross Doctrine and the Discussions Between the Office of the Attorney General and Government Colleagues
Witnesses
As an individual
• Gerald Butts
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #553 on: March 04, 2019, 03:46:24 pm »
Notice of meeting
Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (JUST)
42nd Parliament, 1st Session
 
Meeting 137
Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.
Room 415, Wellington Building, 197 Sparks Street
Televised
 
Remediation Agreements, the Shawcross Doctrine and the Discussions Between the Office of the Attorney General and Government Colleagues
Witnesses
As an individual
• Gerald Butts

Yep, that's certainly one thing I'm waiting for. He has claimed his resignation was so that he could step away from the issue so as not to be influenced prior to giving his testimony.   

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #554 on: March 04, 2019, 03:57:09 pm »
My guess is that Butts will play the "bad cop" and accuse JWR of being a liar, sensitive, weak, incompetent, or whatever so the PM doesn't have to.  He will try and provide aggressive cover for the PM while not being part of the PMO...