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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #525 on: March 03, 2019, 08:11:43 pm »
Already been described in previous posts. I also suggested that these two responsibilities ought to be split.

Different issue. The fact we should split the two jobs up which I also agree with does not and can not justify what Trudeau did. Stop deflecting from the in description of the AG. The fact Trudeau  won't respect the AG job description does not make the AG job description political.
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« Reply #526 on: March 03, 2019, 08:14:20 pm »
There's no doubt it has been in the past. But it's not supposed to be.  The only thing stopping it from being a political office influenced by the whims of the PMO etc is an AG who is ethical, does their job properly and abides by their legal oaths as a lawyer and elected official.

I didn't give JWR the benefit of the doubt, I thought she was probably a slimy ethically-dubious politician like many of the others.  Her testimony was compelling enough to convince me otherwise, at least in her duties as AG.  We'll see how that all holds up with further testimony.

There was no upside in her resisting the PMO's DPA pressure, only a risk to her job/career.  JWR says there was inappropriate pressure, JT says there was none.  Someone is wrong, and possibly lying, who do we believe?

JT has said he will spend time during the two week recess to further review this case. We shall see what he has to say and how/if what he concludes is challenged. It seems a lot of jumping to conclusions has occurred so far. 

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #527 on: March 03, 2019, 08:27:13 pm »
There's no doubt it has been in the past. But it's not supposed to be.  The only thing stopping it from being a political office influenced by the whims of the PMO etc is an AG who is ethical, does their job properly and abides by their legal oaths as a lawyer and elected official.

I didn't give JWR the benefit of the doubt, I thought she was probably a slimy ethically-dubious politician like many of the others.  Her testimony was compelling enough to convince me otherwise, at least in her duties as AG.  We'll see how that all holds up with further testimony.

There was no upside in her resisting the PMO's DPA pressure, only a risk to her job/career.  JWR says there was inappropriate pressure, JT says there was none.  Someone is wrong, and possibly lying, who do we believe?


No never. You will not find one case federally of a Crown being pressured by the gov. of the day to drop a criminal trial based on the accused in that trial lobbying the gov. of the day to drop the case. Never. This is why there has never been a need to make more distinct the AG function. Until Justin this has never happened.

We have had MP's phone judges on behalf of their  constituents  to try influence sentencing but it was never sanctioned by the gov. of the day. Influence peddling in Canada has never dealt with this type of okattempt at corrupting the AG.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #528 on: March 03, 2019, 08:29:07 pm »
Different issue. The fact we should split the two jobs up which I also agree with does not and can not justify what Trudeau did. Stop deflecting from the in description of the AG. The fact Trudeau  won't respect the AG job description does not make the AG job description political.

Except there is a difference between job description and job performance. Once again, more info is needed.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #529 on: March 03, 2019, 09:03:37 pm »
Except there is a difference between job description and job performance. Once again, more info is needed.

What does that mean exactly or did you just engage in a Liberal fart? Oh do clear the air.The AG was fired precisely because she performed her job as per her job description.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #530 on: March 03, 2019, 09:14:42 pm »
Except there is a difference between job description and job performance. Once again, more info is needed.

Yah and you need evidence among causes cancer.
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« Reply #531 on: March 03, 2019, 09:16:14 pm »
What does that mean exactly or did you just engage in a Liberal fart? Oh do clear the air.The AG was fired precisely because she performed her job as per her job description.

Oh, so perhaps you figured it out all by yourself that job description is what you are supposed to do, performance is what you actually do. Very good. As to the last part of your comment, we are not sure yet.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #532 on: March 03, 2019, 09:54:50 pm »
Oh, so perhaps you figured it out all by yourself that job description is what you are supposed to do, performance is what you actually do. Very good. As to the last part of your comment, we are not sure yet.

Oh so I get it. The AG job description really isn''t no really.

You done or do you want to dig further.

Can you get any more dumb?

Seriously how far do you want to advance your idiotic response that the description isn't really the job description.

See when the law says  don't do something well come now it doesn't really mean that. Yes according to Omni no does not mean no and  hey now if Jody says stop harassing me you can say  to her oh no no no to you I am not harassing you to break the law I am simply engaging in a harmless cluster phuck of coercion to compromise an on going criminal trial on behalf of the accused because that is the real job. Uphold a law? Don't be silly...laws are just descriptions andd  breaking them is the real way to perform them.

Now Omni is a performance artist. Quite the masterpiece. I call it Trudeauclusterphuckcoercionliberalspazanxietyattackreactionquebecoisfluidcnsequentiality
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #533 on: March 03, 2019, 09:57:56 pm »
Oh so I get it. The AG my description that is not what really is the in. It's something else. I mean come on if my. In description says the law does not allow me to do something so what.

You done or do you want to dig further.  Can you get any more dumb?  Seriously how far do you want to advance your idiotic response that the in description isn't really the job description. See you are just can't little but pregnant but not really pregnant. See when we say don't do something well have come now it doesn't really mean that. Yes according to Omni no does not mean no and when a woman says stop harassing me you say to her oh no no no.

Lol run along Omni and have a liberal spazz attack with her buddies. You can always seek refuge in Oz.

My suggestion is stop drinking and go take a grammar class.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #534 on: March 04, 2019, 12:28:06 am »
What was the point of your comment? Should someone tell you to stop parroting Trudeau? You clearly are unable to discuss the legal issues.

the extent of my "parroting Trudeau" is to state what he has said publicly... that neither he or anyone from his office directed JWR... that no inappropriate pressure was applied... that in direct response to JWR herself, he, "advised her the decision was hers to make.

the extent of my "parroting JWR" is to state she has publicly stated that NO illegalities occurred... that no one directed her to act to offer a DPA.

the extent of those "parroting Jody's truth" is to choose to accept her interpretation of "pressure"... without regard to an accounting of said pressure, validated and measured against some baseline reference for what constitutes "undue pressure" as distinct from what JWR presumes to cause bother to her fee-fee sensitivities!

as for discussing the legal issues, I try to give your incoherent rambling a pass as I presume English is not your first language.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #535 on: March 04, 2019, 12:44:01 am »
it should be clear to anyone, even you, JWR did not have the appropriate background for the job in the first place... I'll let you state why she might have been chosen given her background was a mere 4 years as a junior prosecutor handling low-level drug crimes. She did not come any where near completing the official mandate she received; there is no shortage of opinion and fact based statements offered that she did not perform well, did not accomplish much, most of what she accomplished has received significant criticism, etc.. Additionally, it appears she was most difficult to work with while having questionable relationship skills - I mean, c'mon... who (other than JWR) burns through 4 Chief-of-Staffs in 3.5 years?
It should be clear to anyone you can't debate the issues raised by the former AG so attempt to attack her personally to avoid the issues she raised and that makes your attempt to  deflect from the issues she raised pathetic.

At this point your attempts to charter assassinate are past absurd.

You also need a reality check if you think at this point she was fired because she was unable to understand her job. There is a reason  5 former AG's have come out supporting her. Your comments about her being a jr. dug crown are laughable. She was a well respected Crown in BC. You have no idea as to her reputation  clearly and are fabricating horse crap at this point. What next...are you saying she was retarded? How absolutely bottom feeding scum sucking snively do we go with this. Was she a drunk? Did she sleep around?  Oh please share.

your strawman attempt notwithstanding... I've not, as you say, "attacked personally; attempted to charter(sic) assassinate". What I have done is given examples of publicly presented writing representative of my summary account; specifically, again, as before:

... there is no shortage of opinion (much of it fact based) that JWR performed poorly, was difficult to work with and didn't get along with others; as presented earlier:

=> Jody Wilson-Raybould Did A Poor Job As Justice Minister

=> Wilson-Raybould battled Bennett, other ministers over Indigenous rights framework

=> Wilson-Raybould’s regrettable legacy as justice minister

=>

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« Reply #536 on: March 04, 2019, 01:05:46 am »
You also need a reality check if you think at this point she was fired because she was unable to understand her job. There is a reason  5 former AG's have come out supporting her. Your comments about her being a jr. dug crown are laughable. She was a well respected Crown in BC. You have no idea as to her reputation  clearly and are fabricating horse crap at this point. What next...are you saying she was retarded? How absolutely bottom feeding scum sucking snively do we go with this. Was she a drunk? Did she sleep around?  Oh please share.

no - I've never accepted the talking-point that JWR was fired; rather, I have repeatedly spoken to a reassignment in line with a cabinet shuffle. I've also not accepted the other talking-point that the reassignment was a demotion; rather, in line with a forced hand to deal with a position opening, reassignments occurred - something that happens quite matter-of-factly over time as government's progress through their workings. I respected JWR for assuming the new most worthy/taxing assignments (Minister of Veteran Affairs/Associate Minister of National Defence) and was surprised that after ~ 1 month holding those new portfolios, she chose to resign.

I earlier challenged you to cite your claim that (I paraphrase), "5 former AG's have brought a lawsuit forward" - clearly your bluster didn't prevail, hey! What has occurred is 5 former AG's have written a public letter to the RCMP Commissioner asking for an investigation over allegations of, again, "undue pressure"; the group led by infamous Harper toady, Peter MacKay; inclusive of 4 other provincial AG's (3 Conservatives, 1 NDP). Nothing partisan to see here - move along now!  ;D
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #537 on: March 04, 2019, 01:16:51 am »
if anyone cares to notice my absence (hey Pinus ;D), I'll be gone for a while
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #538 on: March 04, 2019, 07:22:39 am »
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-more-than-half-of-canadians-say-charges-against-snc-lavalin-should-go/

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More than half of Canadians say fraud and corruption charges against SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. should go to a criminal trial rather than a negotiated settlement where the Montreal engineering and construction giant would pay fines and avoid prosecution, according to a new survey.

The numbers, provided exclusively to The Globe and Mail and CTV News, are based on a Nanos poll of 750 Canadians from Feb. 28 to March 1. The poll comes after testimony from former justice minister and attorney-general Jody Wilson-Raybould to a parliamentary justice committee on Feb. 27, when she alleged “consistent and sustained” political pressure from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other senior officials to shelve the criminal prosecution of SNC-Lavalin.

Canadians clearly don't care about jobs.  ::)

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #539 on: March 04, 2019, 09:27:16 am »
A Nanos poll put out said that only 17% of Canadians would vote based on this issue above others, so....

It's also worth noting that the DPP has said that there was no undue pressure.