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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #345 on: February 28, 2019, 09:56:07 am »
I read somewhere that the bulk of Trudeau's trust fund is in SNC-Lavalin shares.  I haven't been able to confirm or deny that information.  But it makes sense to me - why he is more concerned about 9,000 SNC-Lavalin jobs in Quebec than 40,000 lost jobs in Alberta that don't affect his trust fund in any way.
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« Reply #346 on: February 28, 2019, 11:00:25 am »
That's why I put it in ''.  She obviously considered it a demotion.

100% it was a demotion. That's like saying, going from Finance Minister to Agriculture Minister is a lateral move.


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« Reply #347 on: February 28, 2019, 11:26:39 am »
The persistent use of the "Dumb" rating by a certain individual, stands as a banner in his personal army that says, "I am right, you are wrong and I don't care why you think that way." 

There's a subtle violence to it.  It stops dead any type of dialogue.  Any response to it seems as defending a premise.  Utterly convinced of the rightness and/or morality of their personal position and unwilling to to examine any other - no logic or new information is ever examined with fairness.  There is no exchange with such a calcified brain, devoid of flexibility, locked within itself.
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« Reply #348 on: February 28, 2019, 11:28:51 am »
That's why I put it in ''.  She obviously considered it a demotion.

So did everyone else. That was the big story of the cabinet shuffle.
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« Reply #349 on: February 28, 2019, 11:44:35 am »
I admit I haven't scrolled through all of the JWR testimony (too many Trump distractions just now) but I did read where she said during questioning that there was nothing illegal with what occurred in the case. So that brings us back to appropriate vs inappropriate pressures put on her. If she was reminded that if she didn't intervene to stop the SNC prosecution that the company would likely fail and ~9000 jobs in PQ could be lost, that would be pressure, but not inappropriate both because it's a fact, and it's why the DPA act was enacted in the first place. If she was told if you don't intervene you might find yourself moved out of that chair, I'd say that crosses the line. Do we know if she was threatened in that way yet?   
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« Reply #350 on: February 28, 2019, 11:50:08 am »
I admit I haven't scrolled through all of the JWR testimony (too many Trump distractions just now) but I did read where she said during questioning that there was nothing illegal with what occurred in the case. So that brings us back to appropriate vs inappropriate pressures put on her. If she was reminded that if she didn't intervene to stop the SNC prosecution that the company would likely fail and ~9000 jobs in PQ could be lost, that would be pressure, but not inappropriate both because it's a fact, and it's why the DPA act was enacted in the first place. If she was told if you don't intervene you might find yourself moved out of that chair, I'd say that crosses the line. Do we know if she was threatened in that way yet?

What if she wasn't threatened with it, but they did it when she wouldn't do what they wanted?   It's still inappropriate.  The next Minister that comes along now knows when the PM asks you to intervene on behalf of a company in a criminal matter, then you do it or you'll be relegated to something less relevant. 

If what the PMO did here isn't inappropriate influence, then there is nothing they could do that is inappropriate.  This was a criminal matter and the PMO wanted their pet company to walk away with no punishment.  Rigging the justice system in favour of your influential friends is not what we normally should do.
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« Reply #351 on: February 28, 2019, 11:54:25 am »
The government was also prepared to have friendly op-eds put into newspapers that justified SNC-L getting away with what they did if the Minister would let them off.  This smacks of propaganda that a banana republic would put out.  It's worse than Harper's private news network nonsense because it attempts to infiltrate actual media with their propaganda.

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« Reply #352 on: February 28, 2019, 11:59:40 am »
What if she wasn't threatened with it, but they did it when she wouldn't do what they wanted?   It's still inappropriate.  The next Minister that comes along now knows when the PM asks you to intervene on behalf of a company in a criminal matter, then you do it or you'll be relegated to something less relevant. 

If what the PMO did here isn't inappropriate influence, then there is nothing they could do that is inappropriate.  This was a criminal matter and the PMO wanted their pet company to walk away with no punishment.  Rigging the justice system in favour of your influential friends is not what we normally should do.

The DPA certainly presents the potential to be applied inappropriately, but on the other hand I think if applied appropriately it's worthwhile to allow company directors to be "taken to the woodshed" financially and then be given a chance to clean up it's act while not punishing the majority of employees. I reckon there is still a lot of fallout to come from this case.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #353 on: February 28, 2019, 12:12:18 pm »
The persistent use of the "Dumb" rating by a certain individual, stands as a banner in his personal army that says, "I am right, you are wrong and I don't care why you think that way." 

There's a subtle violence to it.  It stops dead any type of dialogue.  Any response to it seems as defending a premise.  Utterly convinced of the rightness and/or morality of their personal position and unwilling to to examine any other - no logic or new information is ever examined with fairness.  There is no exchange with such a calcified brain, devoid of flexibility, locked within itself.
That's some pretty subtle violence. Why not just completely ignore it and continue expressing yourself,  rather than allow it to shut down conversation? Please don't be like SirJohn and leave entirely because of some dumb post rating system.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #354 on: February 28, 2019, 12:14:33 pm »
That's some pretty subtle violence. Why not just completely ignore it and continue expressing yourself,  rather than allow it to shut down conversation? Please don't be like SirJohn and leave entirely because of some dumb post rating system.

Alternatively, some people could stop being such a baby and express their disagreement with words instead of a dumb rating system.

I do mostly ignore it, as Sir John did, until it got to the point of ridiculousness.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #355 on: February 28, 2019, 12:42:47 pm »
Whatever happened to AECL? Remember Harper sold it to SNC-Lavalin about 8 years ago for $15 million, although he also gave the $75 million to continue development so basically they got what took billions in investment over many decades and $60 million to boot. This is relevant because if SNC-Lavalin moves out of Canada, they will take our nuclear technology as well.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #356 on: February 28, 2019, 01:19:28 pm »
Oooh...and referencing that third person reference in the fourth person! I like.

He ripped it off The Rock from the WWE
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #357 on: February 28, 2019, 01:23:40 pm »
Alternatively, some people could stop being such a baby and express their disagreement with words instead of a dumb rating system.

I do mostly ignore it, as Sir John did, until it got to the point of ridiculousness.

You're reading more into it than is there.  It's a way to express profound disagreement with the very idea of something - like the idea that Trudeau doesn't care about jobs in Alberta. 

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #358 on: February 28, 2019, 01:26:25 pm »
I read somewhere that the bulk of Trudeau's trust fund is in SNC-Lavalin shares.  I haven't been able to confirm or deny that information.  But it makes sense to me - why he is more concerned about 9,000 SNC-Lavalin jobs in Quebec than 40,000 lost jobs in Alberta that don't affect his trust fund in any way.

the Liberal Party government/Trudeau have and continue to support the Keystone KXL pipeline; given actions/statements by Kinder Morgan, the Liberal Party government moved to have the federal government purchase the TransMountain pipeline - securing the future viability of the new pipeline; the Liberal Party government has repeatedly supported past/current initiatives toward securing final court-sanctioned authority to allow the new TransMountain pipeline to proceed.

it's actually ~9000 SNC-Lavalin jobs in Canada - ~4000 in Quebec

in terms of the Prime Minister's inheritance, per rules, the PM's share resides in a blind trust. Specifically, to the related investments:
– 90562 Canada Inc., the federal corporation that held a portfolio of securities that were part of Trudeau’s inheritance from his father, Pierre Trudeau, that he shared with his brother, Alexandre. The securities were managed by Montreal investment firm Jarislowsky Fraser. The corporation was dissolved in December 2013.

– 7664699 Canada Inc., Trudeau’s personal holding company, which was used when the inheritance was split up. In 2013, the company listed $958,000 in short-term investments and $255,000 in cash. Per required compliance:

OCIEC Translation - I {Justin Trudeau} am the sole owner of the shares of 7664699 Canada Inc., a private corporation. Prior to becoming a reporting public office holder, I voluntarily placed my shares in a blind trust. In order to comply with the requirements of the Conflict of Interest Act, the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner determined that an agreed compliance measure was required. Consequently, I have undertaken not to provide any advice, instruction or direction, nor participate in any discussion or decision making processes in respect of the management, disposition or investment of any controlled assets, as defined in section 20 of the Conflict of Interest Act, held in 7664699 Canada Inc.
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« Reply #359 on: February 28, 2019, 01:49:27 pm »
recent 'rolled-up' tweet thread from someone who worked directly with JWR, Vancouver Criminal Lawyer - Paul Doroshenko, Q.C.

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