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Offline TimG

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #255 on: February 21, 2019, 02:37:52 am »
Violence is only ever necessary when it's to protect ones self or perhaps others from violence. If we were all pacifists, whom you seem for some weird reason to discredit, we wouldn't have to be violent. Get it?
You missed the qualifier 'never' in my statement. If you want to use a different qualifier then you are obviously not one of the pacifists I was talking about.

As for the other claim: all human societies will have people who do not follow the moral code demanded by the majority because moral codes always end up putting some people at a disadvantage. Enforcing these moral codes will require some level of violence at times. It is an inescapable aspect of being human.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #256 on: February 21, 2019, 03:19:44 am »

Globe & Mail:
Trudeau spoke to Wilson-Raybould after prosecutors refused SNC-Lavalin deal


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Federal prosecutors had already rejected a settlement with SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. nearly two weeks before Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke with then-attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould about the matter last fall.

Court documents obtained by The Globe and Mail show that Kathleen Roussel, director of public prosecutions, had informed SNC-Lavalin on Sept. 4 that she intended to proceed with a prosecution on bribery and fraud charges against the Montreal-based engineering giant stemming from its business dealings in Libya.

Mr. Trudeau has repeatedly said he told Ms. Wilson-Raybould in a Sept. 17 conversation that the decision on the SNC-Lavalin prosecution was hers alone to make, but that concerns were raised about the economic impact of a conviction.

So clearly it wasn't a case of the PM and PMO offering JWR some helpful advice to pass along to Ms Roussel in making a decision.  Ms Roussel had already made her decision, and the PM/PMO were pressuring encouraging JWR to pressure encourage Ms Roussel to reconsider.


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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #257 on: February 21, 2019, 07:00:44 am »
Trudeau already has a really low approval rating, lower than Donald Trump's, which is pretty unbelievable.
Source? Voting intention and preferred candidate are not "approval" ratings. Approval ratings typically ask the respondents how well they feel the leadership is doing.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #258 on: February 21, 2019, 11:12:57 am »
Globe & Mail:Trudeau spoke to Wilson-Raybould after prosecutors refused SNC-Lavalin deal

So clearly it wasn't a case of the PM and PMO offering JWR some helpful advice to pass along to Ms Roussel in making a decision.  Ms Roussel had already made her decision, and the PM/PMO were pressuring encouraging JWR to pressure encourage Ms Roussel to reconsider

in your Ms. kimmy wishful-thinking(™) opinion - yes? The waldo doesn't mind educating you throughout this thread... have some more: on a generalized case-by-case basis, the AJ role is not an investigatory role - that is why it is standard operating procedure for the AJ to seek out Ministerial (as relevant) information/advice/guidance; equally, that works both ways as Ministers have a responsibility to bring (as relevant) information/advice/guidance to the AJ.

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« Reply #259 on: February 21, 2019, 12:57:46 pm »

bastardo!!! How dare he attempt to refute the anonymous sourced basis of Ms. kimmy's wishful-thinking(™)

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Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick, testifying at the justice committee today, was referring to a Feb. 7 Globe and Mail report that touched off a political scandal and triggered the resignation of cabinet minister Jody Wilson-Raybould and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's principal secretary, Gerry Butts.

"I'm here to say to you that the Globe and Mail article contains errors, unfounded speculation and, in some cases, is simply defamatory," he said.
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« Reply #260 on: February 21, 2019, 01:04:08 pm »
Scheermen! C'mon Pierre Poilievre... you're being out-weaseled by the young-pup Michael Cooper!!! Step-up your game Poilievre...

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« Reply #261 on: February 21, 2019, 03:36:49 pm »
C'mon Pierre Poilievre... you're being out-weaseled by the young-pup Michael Cooper!!!

I listened to part of the Justice Committee meeting today, and that was my exact thought.

Poor little Lisa Raitt got her knickers in a knot when her partisan rhetoric was exposed.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #262 on: February 21, 2019, 06:23:56 pm »
Source? Voting intention and preferred candidate are not "approval" ratings. Approval ratings typically ask the respondents how well they feel the leadership is doing.

Yes I know the difference.  He's actually one of the least popular PM's ever.

https://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/leadermeter/

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/12/19/trudeau-approval-rating-poll_a_23622710/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Canada_by_approval_rating

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #263 on: February 21, 2019, 06:29:10 pm »
Violence is only ever necessary when it's to protect ones self or perhaps others from violence. If we were all pacifists, whom you seem for some weird reason to discredit, we wouldn't have to be violent. Get it?

If we were all pacifists you're right we wouldn't have to get violent.  But we don't live in such a world.  All it takes is one violent person.  And we need a military trained to kill because all it takes is one country or non-state actor group to get violent. 
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #264 on: February 21, 2019, 06:29:28 pm »
He's actually one of the least popular PM's ever.

Behind: Mulroney, Harper, Clark, and daddy.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #265 on: February 21, 2019, 06:32:52 pm »
Violence is only ever necessary when it's to protect ones self or perhaps others from violence. If we were all pacifists, whom you seem for some weird reason to discredit, we wouldn't have to be violent. Get it?

If we were all pacifists you're right we wouldn't have to get violent.  But we don't live in such a world.  All it takes is one violent person.  And we need a military trained to kill because all it takes is one country or non-state actor group to get violent.

That's why Canada's "proud" legacy as peacekeepers is nonsense.  They just let the US do all their dirty work for them and sat back and got the glory of being a "peaceful nation", which is ridiculous.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #266 on: February 21, 2019, 08:36:57 pm »
If we were all pacifists you're right we wouldn't have to get violent.  But we don't live in such a world.  All it takes is one violent person.  And we need a military trained to kill because all it takes is one country or non-state actor group to get violent.

That's why Canada's "proud" legacy as peacekeepers is nonsense.  They just let the US do all their dirty work for them and sat back and got the glory of being a "peaceful nation", which is ridiculous.

I am well aware of the fact we live in a violent world, either from reading history, or living/working in the midst of it. Canada fought long and hard and actually punched above its weight in some previous wars. The US does seem to like to get involved in "dirty work" though. Heard of Iraq have you?

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #267 on: February 22, 2019, 06:02:49 am »
Yes I know the difference.  He's actually one of the least popular PM's ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Canada_by_approval_rating
 

Yes but also second highest ?

That list makes me hate Democracy.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #268 on: February 22, 2019, 10:34:06 am »
I listened to part of the Justice Committee meeting today, and that was my exact thought.

Poor little Lisa Raitt got her knickers in a knot when her partisan rhetoric was exposed.

But you didn't hear the supposed head of the Civil Service who is not supposed to comment on political issues or legal issues doing just that both.
You didn't hear this sphincter muscle of a Privy Council head make the most idiotic and brain stunned comments of the year with his fear of assassination warning. Even someone like you would know if you felt
there was an imminent threat the last thing you do is broadcast it loud to give some crackpot the idea to do it...or wait no you didn't hear that.
You didn't hear the shrill, arrogant, subjective spittle come out of his mouth.

You do understand Lisa Raitt is in the opposition party and is elected and has a function to engage in precisely what she was doing question....on behalf of all Canadians...that escaped you but  the Privy Council head with his head shoved up his Liberal BUTT that you missed.

Clearly this pricy council head needs to be fired. He is unable to perform in a neutral manner and showed a complete and vested interest in defending Trudeau and Butt which was a direct conflict of interest not to mention this anal gland can not determine what is and what is not undue influence and is strictly limited to saying what he heard, now what the intent of what he heard was or its effect.

This idiot not only passed off a subjective opinion of intent as to the words off as a legal opinion but pronounced it as if it was his role to do so. That you did not notice.

Only a Judge determines whether there is malicious or illegal intent behind words. That depends on many factors and certainly not the Pricy Council Head's inflated sense of the universe.

Civil servants are to remain neutral and avoid any appearance of partisan comment. This individual now has made it impossible for anyone but Trudeau to have confidence in his office. If I was another Liberal cabinet Minister or MP I am just as worried about his clear bias for Trudeau in any future issue as I would be in any other party.

This idiot crossed the line into the political world of subjective commentary to defend Trudeau which was as inappropriate and partisan as it gets and yet your eagle eye only notices when the Opposition entrusted to question his testimony through cross examination does just that.

Buh bye I hear another liberal selective ear drum. It sounds like  this.....spzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #269 on: February 22, 2019, 10:47:59 am »
Yes but also second highest ?

That list makes me hate Democracy.

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