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« Reply #195 on: February 18, 2019, 11:39:20 pm »
You keep saying that, yet you are unable to dispute that the very text of the DPA legislation specifies that the economic consequences were NOT to be taken into account in determining whether to negotiate a DPA.

And, per your earlier contribution to the thread, the Minister of Justice is NOT supposed to tell the PPSC what to do anyway.

Kathleen Roussel was correct in determining SNC-Lavalin was not eligible for a DPA.

JWR was correct in not attempting to interfere or overrule Kathleen Rousel's decision.

Those urging JWR to interfere on behalf of SNC-Lavalin were in the wrong.

I gave you the clue/insight in my earlier reply... then repeated it in another reply to you and highlighted you really need to read that waldo gem! Apparently, you either refused to read or your intuitive chops are lacking - I'll go with both!

ok, ok, notwithstanding you've got nuthin... other than a G&M article based on any anonymous source (other than your wishful thinking(™)), I'll shout it out for ya: EVEN WITHOUT A DPA, SEE ATTORNEY GENERAL DISCRETIONARY POWER... CONDITIONAL ON AN EVALUATION OF PUBLIC INTEREST, etc.

wait, what? JWR's replacement, the New Justice Minister/Attorney General David Lametti, said what?

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New federal Attorney-General David Lametti says it is still possible he could issue a directive to the prosecution service to settle corruption charges against SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. out of court.

“There is a specific set of rules that would allow the Attorney-General to direct a public process, in a transparent process, through the Canada Gazette,” he told CTV’s Question Period on Sunday. “That remains a possibility. But I’m not going to comment on the possibility of that now because that case is before the courts.

So anyway, what are the waldo's thoughts on Gerald "Don't call me Seymour" Butts resigning?   What are you hearing through the channels on this?  What's the word?  What are the whispers?

c'mon, read/digest my posts, hey!
There are several more than capable people available to take on the 'Principal Secretary' role; Butts sees his higher calling... free of the PMO shackles... ready to concentrate on the 2019 election.  ;D
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #196 on: February 19, 2019, 10:10:58 am »
I gave you the clue/insight in my earlier reply... then repeated it in another reply to you and highlighted you really need to read that waldo gem! Apparently, you either refused to read or your intuitive chops are lacking - I'll go with both!

ok, ok, notwithstanding you've got nuthin... other than a G&M article based on any anonymous source (other than your wishful thinking(™)), I'll shout it out for ya: EVEN WITHOUT A DPA, SEE ATTORNEY GENERAL DISCRETIONARY POWER... CONDITIONAL ON AN EVALUATION OF PUBLIC INTEREST, etc.

So after almost 2 weeks of harping on the benefits of a DPA, you've hucked that out the window entirely and come out with this new angle. "it's a TRANSPARENT PROCESS!"

wait, what? JWR's replacement, the New Justice Minister/Attorney General David Lametti, said what?
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New federal Attorney-General David Lametti says it is still possible he could issue a directive to the prosecution service to settle corruption charges against SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. out of court.

“There is a specific set of rules that would allow the Attorney-General to direct a public process, in a transparent process, through the Canada Gazette,” he told CTV’s Question Period on Sunday. “That remains a possibility. But I’m not going to comment on the possibility of that now because that case is before the courts.”

This reinforces the appearance that the Liberals are determined to get SNC-Lavalin a deal. "DPA! DPA! Ok... not DPAs... but there might be some other way to do a deal! We'll keep working on it!"  It also makes one suspect Mr Lametti was put in this role because he was more willing to consider "possibilities" like this to get SNC-Lavalin off the hook, and that JWR was shuffled out of that portfolio to make room for someone more pliable.


Ms Roussel has been in the newspapers for the past week asserting the independence of the PPSC.  It will be interesting to see how she reacts when the newly minted Justice Minister tells her "uh, about that..."


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There are several more than capable people available to take on the 'Principal Secretary' role; Butts sees his higher calling... free of the PMO shackles... ready to concentrate on the 2019 election.  ;D

So it's all a clever ruse to get Seymour back in the trenches! Most clever.

An alternative theory which some-- certainly not the kimmo-- are talking about is that the Liberal caucus is furious over the way these allegations have been handled, and Mr Butts has fallen on his sword on behalf of the PM and the other senior staff.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #197 on: February 19, 2019, 10:47:35 am »
Hi I'm Gerald Butts and I did nothing wrong so I'm resigning.  I was a minor player in this story thus far but I don't want to testify because i'm innocent & so I'm a distraction so i'm resigning.  Wha???

p.s. we did nothing wrong & my office & the PM are awesome and climate change.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #198 on: February 19, 2019, 11:04:11 am »
So after almost 2 weeks of harping on the benefits of a DPA, you've hucked that out the window entirely and come out with this new angle. "it's a TRANSPARENT PROCESS!"

your flop sweat is soooo sweet! In response to your repeated nattering on about SNC-Lavalin not meeting criteria within the constructs of the DPA, the waldo reinforced the DPA isn't (necessarily) the 'end all/be all' - detailing how the Attorney General holds discretionary power. The waldo takes no solace in reading your desperation.

This reinforces the appearance that the Liberals are determined to get SNC-Lavalin a deal.

no - it reinforces the actuality outlined by the waldo's links/quotes from said links... it reinforces the actuality of the discretionary power held by the Attorney General. And you're simply doubling-down on your wishful thinking(™); from the past your wishful thinking(™) relies on an anonymously sourced G&M article... into the future your wishful thinking(™) presumes to cast aspersion on a possible lawful AJ avenue available while denigrating the new AJ for simply speaking to a possibility of extending upon that lawful avenue.

So it's all a clever ruse to get Seymour back in the trenches! Most clever.

say what? You don't accept Mr. Butts statement that he/PMO did not exert influence/pressure on JWR?

Quote from: Gerald Butts, Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister
Recently, anonymous sources have alleged that I pressured the former Attorney General, The Honourable Jody Wilson-Raybould, to assist SNC-Lavalin with being considered for a deferred prosecution agreement. I categorically deny the accusation that I or anyone else in his office pressured Ms. Wilson-Raybould. We honoured the unique role of the Attorney General. At all times, I and those around me acted with integrity and a singular focus on the best interests of all Canadians.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #199 on: February 19, 2019, 11:07:48 am »
Hi I'm Gerald Butts and I did nothing wrong so I'm resigning.  I was a minor player in this story thus far but I don't want to testify because i'm innocent & so I'm a distraction so i'm resigning.  Wha???

p.s. we did nothing wrong & my office & the PM are awesome and climate change.


the waldo is shocked you won't accept the statement from Mr. Butts... shocked I tells ya!

Quote from: Gerald Butts, Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister
Recently, anonymous sources have alleged that I pressured the former Attorney General, The Honourable Jody Wilson-Raybould, to assist SNC-Lavalin with being considered for a deferred prosecution agreement. I categorically deny the accusation that I or anyone else in his office pressured Ms. Wilson-Raybould. We honoured the unique role of the Attorney General. At all times, I and those around me acted with integrity and a singular focus on the best interests of all Canadians.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #200 on: February 19, 2019, 11:42:17 am »
Butts leaves because he doesn't want to be a distraction. But leaving becomes an even bigger distraction, now opposition parties smell blood in the water.

I actually thought the story had calmed down a bit, now it's back to the top of the news.

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« Reply #201 on: February 19, 2019, 12:06:00 pm »
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the Justice Committee hearing on the issue. Unfortunately it seems the Liberals have used their majority on the committee to water down the list of the people who will give testimony.

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« Reply #202 on: February 19, 2019, 12:11:35 pm »
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the Justice Committee hearing on the issue. Unfortunately it seems the Liberals have used their majority on the committee to water down the list of the people who will give testimony.

Nothing will come out of it.  You already gave the answer as to why.
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« Reply #203 on: February 19, 2019, 12:16:00 pm »
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the Justice Committee hearing on the issue. Unfortunately it seems the Liberals have used their majority on the committee to water down the list of the people who will give testimony.

Which is evidence that they have something to hide. And will ensure this story won't go away anytime soon.

If Butts can be strident in his denial on Twitter, he can do the same under oath in front of a committee.

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« Reply #204 on: February 19, 2019, 12:21:53 pm »
Which is evidence that they have something to hide. And will ensure this story won't go away anytime soon.

If Butts can be strident in his denial on Twitter, he can do the same under oath in front of a committee.

I guess he could however he is not on the list.

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« Reply #205 on: February 19, 2019, 12:38:34 pm »
I guess he could however he is not on the list.

. . . because the Liberals have something to hide.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #206 on: February 19, 2019, 12:41:45 pm »
the waldo is shocked you won't accept the statement from Mr. Butts... shocked I tells ya!

Well, given the high ethical track-record of the modern federal and provincial Liberals, i suppose they've earned the benefit of the doubt.  As former policy director and then principal secretary to Honest Dalton McGuinty, what's not to trust?!

I mean just look at Gerald's [squid edit]White House counterpart's boss's mother, Mary Trump[/squid edit].  Surely nothing that would come out of this sweet old lady could ever tell a lie!

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #207 on: February 19, 2019, 12:49:44 pm »
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the Justice Committee hearing on the issue. Unfortunately it seems the Liberals have used their majority on the committee to water down the list of the people who will give testimony.

Yes, it will be interesting to see what comes from a Liberal-led investigation of Liberal wrongdoing.  Surely if OJ Simpson had been head prosecutor instead of Marcia Clark, OJ Simpson would have been convicted of murder.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #208 on: February 19, 2019, 12:50:37 pm »
I know it's just an obscure internet political forum, but it's pretty scuzzy to bring in the guy's mom and post a big picture of her.

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« Reply #209 on: February 19, 2019, 01:09:53 pm »
I know it's just an obscure internet political forum, but it's pretty scuzzy to bring in the guy's mom and post a big picture of her.

ya, the guy's a dumbass for doing/saying that!
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