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Offline waldo

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« Reply #150 on: February 16, 2019, 02:00:51 pm »
Actually the "scandal" as always, arises due to the fact that people like to jump to the conclusion that what is alleged is actually true.


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« Reply #151 on: February 16, 2019, 03:09:34 pm »
I want to hear what JWR has to say. Until then it's all politics.

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« Reply #152 on: February 16, 2019, 03:27:18 pm »
now that... is a fine testament to your dead fighting relatives!  ;D



99.9999% sure most if not all of them would agree in "**** Trudeau".  They were military men after all.
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« Reply #153 on: February 16, 2019, 03:38:33 pm »

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“Obviously there have been many discussions around this government: questions asked of me from two different Quebec premiers. Questions asked of me, and representations made, by the company, made by a broad range of individuals, of MPs. There were many discussions going on,” Mr. Trudeau said.

“Which is why Jody Wilson-Raybould asked me if I was directing her or going to direct her to take a particular decision, and I of course said, ‘No,’ that it was her decision to make and I expected her to make it. I had full confidence in her role.“

If things were at the point that she had to ask him whether he was giving her an order, then clearly she was being pressured.

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« Reply #154 on: February 16, 2019, 03:50:28 pm »
If things were at the point that she had to ask him whether he was giving her an order, then clearly she was being pressured.

She may have perceived pressure, but if she was told by her boss that the decision was hers and she still perceived pressure then perhaps she was not right for the job.

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« Reply #155 on: February 16, 2019, 04:01:12 pm »
Oh to be a fly on the wall during her discussions with Cromwell.

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« Reply #156 on: February 16, 2019, 05:00:06 pm »
She may have perceived pressure, but if she was told by her boss that the decision was hers and she still perceived pressure then perhaps she was not right for the job.
Yes there are million possible narratives that can shift the blame from one side to the other. We will never have evidence that clearly shows whose narrative is closer to reality. I would rather focus on changes to make the the process such as an outright prohibition on measures unrelated to the budget being included in the budget bill.
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« Reply #157 on: February 16, 2019, 05:11:29 pm »
Yes there are million possible narratives that can shift the blame from one side to the other. We will never have evidence that clearly shows whose narrative is closer to reality. I would rather focus on changes to make the the process such as an outright prohibition on measures unrelated to the budget being included in the budget bill.

Of course we'll have evidence when JWR speaks out.
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« Reply #158 on: February 16, 2019, 05:51:37 pm »
Of course we'll have evidence when JWR speaks out.
All we will get from her is a carefully crafted narrative designed to make her sound as good as possible. It will omit any information that might undermine her narrative. In the end we will have a he-she said situation where who people choose to believe will depend more on their personal inclinations than on any actual evidence.

That is why we need to focus on facts that are not dependent on spin.
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« Reply #159 on: February 16, 2019, 08:53:08 pm »
All we will get from her is a carefully crafted narrative designed to make her sound as good as possible. It will omit any information that might undermine her narrative. In the end we will have a he-she said situation where who people choose to believe will depend more on their personal inclinations than on any actual evidence.

That is why we need to focus on facts that are not dependent on spin.

And in this case the facts can only emerge from the testimony.

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« Reply #160 on: February 16, 2019, 09:07:19 pm »
In what kind of democracy with any kind of transparency can corporate executives whose company is facing serious criminal charges and have been in deep criminal doo-doo in the past be allowed to meet many dozens of times with the PMO/government in private closed door meetings where we have no idea what was said.

In what kind of democracy can an entity lobby a government behind closed doors when it is facing charged by said government?  Where the same entity has illegally donated to said party?
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« Reply #161 on: February 16, 2019, 09:12:54 pm »
In what kind of democracy with any kind of transparency can corporate executives whose company is facing serious criminal charges and have been in deep criminal doo-doo in the past be allowed to meet many dozens of times with the PMO/government in private closed door meetings where we have no idea what was said.

In what kind of democracy can an entity lobby a government behind closed doors when it is facing charged by said government?  Where the same entity has illegally donated to said party?

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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #162 on: February 16, 2019, 09:14:40 pm »
She may have perceived pressure, but if she was told by her boss that the decision was hers and she still perceived pressure then perhaps she was not right for the job.

Obviously not right for the job for Trudeau.  "This is your decision to make"....and then a couple of months later removed from post.  On the face of it seems like it was not her decision to make without severe consequences to her, and reprisal.
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« Reply #163 on: February 17, 2019, 01:30:44 am »
In what kind of democracy with any kind of transparency can corporate executives whose company is facing serious criminal charges and have been in deep criminal doo-doo in the past be allowed to meet many dozens of times with the PMO/government in private closed door meetings where we have no idea what was said.

In what kind of democracy can an entity lobby a government behind closed doors when it is facing charged by said government?  Where the same entity has illegally donated to said party?

Lobbying in Canada

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« Reply #164 on: February 17, 2019, 01:33:48 am »
If things were at the point that she had to ask him whether he was giving her an order, then clearly she was being pressured.

the words you struggled to find were... 'giving direction'. In any case, your wishful thinking is noted