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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #105 on: February 14, 2019, 10:52:41 am »
Are crown prosecutors hoping to be working in SNC-Lavalin's legal department in a few years? 

SNC is a big company with big lobbying capability and deep pockets.  The Liberals and Conservatives aren't any different when it comes to their close ties with KPMG, and I doubt they're any different when it comes to SNC-Lavalin either.

SNC-Lavalin, a company that employs 9000+ Canadians - a company working to avoid a potential 10-year ban on bidding federal contracts... working to avoid potential harm to its outright viability - imagine... lobbying! The waldo is shocked, shocked I tells ya!

surely, after learning of DPA's, after now realizing their widespread use in the U.S./UK... surely, you're not anti-DPA cause you have an inherent anti-corporate bent? Are there no reasons to consider the value of DPAs - none?

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« Reply #106 on: February 14, 2019, 10:56:16 am »
Could you deflect any harder?
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« Reply #107 on: February 14, 2019, 11:03:10 am »
That JT pressured her go easy on the company and then she was suddenly demoted. People can draw their own conclusions. Her actions indicate that there is animosity between them.

did not see this coming! Boges, you and others, but certainly not the waldo, are suddenly white-knights looking to protest the (perceived) demotion. Wouldn't have figured you for a champion of past legislation/positions taken and held by Ms. Wilson-Raybould... to imply the 'file' held no other reasons to consider a cabinet shuffle.



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« Reply #108 on: February 14, 2019, 11:05:38 am »
Could you deflect any harder?

no deflections intended; none given
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #109 on: February 14, 2019, 11:49:13 am »
did not see this coming! Boges, you and others, but certainly not the waldo, are suddenly white-knights looking to protest the (perceived) demotion. Wouldn't have figured you for a champion of past legislation/positions taken and held by Ms. Wilson-Raybould... to imply the 'file' held no other reasons to consider a cabinet shuffle.

What would you suggest the demotion of a FN woman would indicated. It was 2018, I thought those kind of MPs were valuable.

How else did she do her job poorly then what's alleged in the report that sparked this scandal? She didn't play ball when JT asked her to go easy on SNC-Lavalin.
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« Reply #110 on: February 14, 2019, 12:05:05 pm »
How else did she do her job poorly then what's alleged in the report that sparked this scandal?

Well, there are certainly some 'problems' with some of the recent legislation that she's created.
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« Reply #111 on: February 14, 2019, 12:05:57 pm »
Well, there are certainly some 'problems' with some of the recent legislation that she's created.

Such as?

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« Reply #112 on: February 14, 2019, 12:21:28 pm »
Such as?

Some of them have been listed here before.  One that immediately springs to mind is the new impaired driving legislation with some very questionable sections regarding it's constitutionality.
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« Reply #113 on: February 14, 2019, 12:36:38 pm »
Such as?

accommodating waldo:

reason(s) for resignation? As has been well discussed, Ms. Wilson-Raybould has taken significant criticism for her handling of assisted-dying & impaired-driving legislation and her publicly expressed frustrations over the pace/approach of (her) government's handling of so-called 'reconciliation'...

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« Reply #114 on: February 14, 2019, 12:40:13 pm »
She didn't play ball when JT asked her to go easy on SNC-Lavalin.

c'mon Boges - the allegations are 'someone' within the PMO. By the by, why do you, de facto, interpret DPAs as "going easy"?
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #115 on: February 14, 2019, 02:56:24 pm »
It's funny because JWR doesn't really have anything to gain by speaking.

You might be right about that.  Although if she tells her side and in doing so (along with other evidence) is completely vindicated, and was demoted for  insidious reasons, she could possibly sue.

Otherwise, she may not have anything to gain personally as you say, but she should have an informal duty as a Canadian (especially as an elected rep) to stand up for the democracy of her country and help shine light on what could be corrupt behaviour damaging her country.  If she thinks she might be personally harmed by it legally or financially then I guess I get it.

Corruption seems to infect just about every government that comes into power in Canada.  And politicians lie constantly.  It shows a sad state of humanity, when so many politicians do these crooked kinds of things for their own selfish gain & power rather than prioritize doing what's best for their country and their democracy.  Seems like a worldwide human phenomenon.  Consistently ethical people are a rare breed, and it's hard for them to get to the top when they have one hand tied behind their backs while everyone else is cutting throats.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #116 on: February 14, 2019, 03:32:04 pm »
months... months... after the introduction of the bill that included the DPA 'amendment', when confronted to confirm, Scheer's office finally admitted to that May meeting Scheer held with SNC-Lavalin - that meeting held to discuss the criminal charges SNC-Lavalin was facing... to discuss the DPA agreement being sought by SNC-Lavalin.

but, but... the Libs, the Libs, the Libs!

All 3 major parties are trash.  What to do?  Some may say vote for the lesser evil.  I say keep firing them every election until they smarten up, and never accept mediocrity.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #117 on: February 14, 2019, 08:01:54 pm »
Anyways, I'm keeping an open mind about all of this until all of the facts come to bear.  We can't make anyone guilty yet.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2019, 01:33:45 am »
The CBC had more good coverage of this story tonight, although it did try to balance the scandal with how important SNC is to Quebec, neither of those things have anything to do with the other, and they had the usual panel on, though Barton looked less than happy to be talking about it.  On the CTV news however the story was buried about 5 deep, including behind the top story of people getting ripped off over their tiny home purchase. 

And its not as though there wasn't more news to be had, the chair of the justice committee said in two different interviews that JWR might have been moved because she doesn't speak french, and the PM might have wanted a french speaking AG, this is the chair of the committee supposedly 'investigating' the issue by not calling any of the actual people involved.  Sounds above board.  Anyway, 5 deep for possibly the worst scandal in, well when Chretien was in charge, maybe longer. A few quiet days and you will hardly hear about this again, instead of demanding answers they will go back to genuflecting in his presence.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #119 on: February 15, 2019, 05:35:37 am »
Anyways, I'm keeping an open mind about all of this until all of the facts come to bear.  We can't make anyone guilty yet.

I guess so, but it's really two possibilities: JWR and the people close to her are toxic liars or Trudeau is being a slippery pol.