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Offline waldo

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« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2019, 05:14:46 pm »
Playing obtuse again.

playing silly-buggar again, are you? If you can't do the time (to reply), don't do the crime (claimin')
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« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2019, 05:50:57 pm »
Wow.  I feel that this issue stinks even if there's no hard evidence but wow... you defending the govt.  I guess we're actually kind of an objective board here.   :o

TimG's a corporatist, of sorts, in my view...   free reign for corporations to bribe foreign governments, pollute, etc without government interference.  I could be wrong, so I am open to being corrected. 


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« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2019, 05:53:52 pm »
...   free reign for corporations to bribe foreign governments, pollute, etc without government interference.

which has what to do with this thread/topic?
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2019, 06:38:29 pm »
TimG's a corporatist, of sorts, in my view...   free reign for corporations to bribe foreign governments, pollute, etc without government interference.  I could be wrong, so I am open to being corrected.
WTF? This has nothing to do with whether SNC is guilty of the crimes. It is about the appropriate exercise of government power. The principle at work is the accountability of the civil service to the elected representatives. i.e. we can't have a situation where civil servants make political decisions without any input or say from their political masters. When dealing with questions of justice care must be taken because of the potential for abuse hence the law that requires that any directions must be in writing and published in the Canada Gazette.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2019, 06:44:47 pm »
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2019, 06:54:30 pm »
WTF? This has nothing to do with whether SNC is guilty of the crimes. It is about what the appropriate exercise of government power. The principle at work is the accountability of the civil service to the elected representatives. i.e. we can't have a situation where civil servants make political decisions without any input or say from their political masters. When dealing with questions of justice care must be taken because of the potential for abuse hence the law that requires that any directions must be in writing and published in the Canada Gazette.

Thankfully that law exists.  What we don't have in writing is what was spoken about during the 50+ lobbying meetings SNC-Lavalin had with the Liberal gov, including over a dozen with the PMO itself.  What we do know is that the meetings involved the criminal matters.

The lobbyist registry shows representatives of SNC-Lavalin logged more than 50 meetings with federal officials and parliamentarians on subjects that included "justice" and "law enforcement."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-committee-snc-lavalin-1.5011161

What we're all waiting for in writing are the accounts from Ms Jody about what was said between her and the PM about this company.
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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2019, 08:04:02 pm »
Thankfully that law exists.  What we don't have in writing is what was spoken about during the 50+ lobbying meetings SNC-Lavalin had with the Liberal gov, including over a dozen with the PMO itself.  What we do know is that the meetings involved the criminal matters.

The lobbyist registry shows representatives of SNC-Lavalin logged more than 50 meetings with federal officials and parliamentarians on subjects that included "justice" and "law enforcement."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-committee-snc-lavalin-1.5011161

What we're all waiting for in writing are the accounts from Ms Jody about what was said between her and the PM about this company.

This could cause a bit of lawyer head scratching behind closed doors because, as the article points out, she can use attorney client privilege, which is her right. But she is not just a private citizen, she is also an elected representative hoding public office, and so in this case, who's rights win out, hers or the public's right to know.   

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« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2019, 08:40:07 pm »
Well, one person who likely will benefit is Jagmeet Singh.  His Liberal opponent in the upcoming Burnaby by-election may take a support hit from this.

Jagmeet Singh will never lead the NDP anywhere.  Very few people are going to vote (or take seriously) for a leader of a major political party, wearing a turban in Canada.  You may find my opinion harsh, but it is true. 

If Singh really wanted to lead the NDP to greater heights, he would take that  Turban off.
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« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2019, 08:43:37 pm »
Jagmeet Singh will never lead the NDP anywhere.  Very few people are going to vote (or take seriously) for a man wearing a turban in Canada.  You may find my opinion harsh, but it is true. 

If Singh really wanted to lead the NDP to greater heights, he would take that silly Turban off.

What about a yarmulke?   

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2019, 08:52:28 pm »
Jagmeet Singh will never lead the NDP anywhere.  Very few people are going to vote (or take seriously) for a man wearing a turban in Canada.  You may find my opinion harsh, but it is true. 

If Singh really wanted to lead the NDP to greater heights, he would take that silly Turban off.

I believe he only started wearing the turban when he started running for the provincal NDP, he also at that time started going by "Jagmeet Singh" instead of "Jimmy Dhaliwal".  I assume all of this was to appeal to the large Sikh population in his old riding.

Either way, Jagmeet winning his seat probably means a stronger NDP, which means less votes likely for the Liberals this election, which is bad for them and good for the CPC.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2019, 08:53:40 pm »
What about a yarmulke?

Political suicide.  Most Jews who run for leadership (i.e. Bernie Sanders) are intelligent enough to realize that religion and the state are separate entities.  Ditto for most religious people.  I would have no problem with Singh, if he represented a riding with a high concentration of East Indians.  However, this is Canada, where only 1.4% of the population is Sikh, just shows how far the NDP have fallen.

Anyone who down-votes me, just cannot handle the truth.  A guy that wears a turban in public will only hinder his party.  You can argue that he has the right to wear whatever he wants to- which is true as Canada enjoys freedom of religion.  However,  anyone who chooses to wear a religious head covering, is going to prevent his/her party from ever doing well in an election.

Bookmark my post.  The NDP will be lucky to win 20 seats in the next election.
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« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2019, 08:58:58 pm »
I believe he only started wearing the turban when he started running for the provincal NDP, he also at that time started going by "Jagmeet Singh" instead of "Jimmy Dhaliwal".  I assume all of this was to appeal to the large Sikh population in his old riding.

So if he changed his name, and started wearing a Turban to appeal to the large Sikh population in his riding, you would think he would be intelligent to realize 98.6% of Canadians are not Sikh, when he ran for the NDP leadership. 

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Either way, Jagmeet winning his seat probably means a stronger NDP, which means less votes likely for the Liberals this election, which is bad for them and good for the CPC.

On the contrary, it means a weaker NDP. Like it or not, appearances are very important in politics. The NDP is free to elect who they want, as the leader of their party.  However, it will be catastrophic to the NDP chances in the Federal Election.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2019, 10:31:02 pm »
So if he changed his name, and started wearing a Turban to appeal to the large Sikh population in his riding, you would think he would be intelligent to realize 98.6% of Canadians are not Sikh, when he ran for the NDP leadership. 

But when he ran for the leadership his base was already Sikh, he signed up a ton of new Sikh NDP party members to vote for him, and a ton of his donations were Sikh, so it seemed to work for him at the time.  Now its caught up to him as other Canadians don't like the pandering to Sikh terrorists and whatnot.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2019, 10:54:48 pm »
The fact that Trudeau was surprised by Jody's resignation and that the day before he basically said they were glad to have her in cabinet and everything between them was good shows me they're on bad terms.  Uh ohs.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2019, 02:40:21 am »
waldo reminder part-deux:

Yes yes, the Libya case and the Hospital case are separate, except they're actually related:

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Duhaime’s sentence seemed light compared with that of Elbaz and on Thursday, a week after the sentence was delivered, The Globe and Mail published a story quoting anonymous sources who alleged the Prime Minister’s Office pressured former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to negotiate a remediation agreement that would have put an end to a different case in which three SNC-Lavalin companies — SNC Lavalin International Inc., SNC Lavalin Construction Inc. and Groupe SNC Lavalin Inc. — are charged with having paid millions of dollars in bribes to obtain government business in Libya.

The preliminary inquiry in that case is scheduled to resume at the Montreal courthouse on Friday.

While the cases brought against Duhaime and the three companies are separate, the investigations were intertwined. Sûreté du Québec investigators in Project Laureat, the investigation into the MUHC superhospital, received information from Swiss authorities. While investigating alleged bribes paid to the Libyan government, they recorded a phone conversation in which Ben Aïssa said he had to pay something for a hospital in Canada.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/evidence-in-project-laureat-alleged-snc-lavalin-head-was-more-than-willfully-ignorant

re: Ms. kimmy's declared 'slap on the wrist'..... alleged. Wait, what? Why Canada needs deferred prosecution agreements in our courtrooms

waldo enlightenment: Govt. of Canada public consultation, no less! --- Expanding Canada's toolkit to address corporate wrongdoing: The deferred prosecution agreement stream discussion guide

The author of your Globe & Mail article writes:
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The focus on punishing the corporation left shareholders to shoulder the fine while those responsible walked away. Deferred prosecution agreements require corporations to co-operate in pursuing individual wrongdoers, and so place the focus where it belongs.

Sounds fine in principle. And yet, referring back to the Montreal Gazette article I linked to above, we find that crown prosecutors were equipped with information that Mr Duhaime's role in the scandal went far beyond what he admitted to in his plea deal including personally authorizing payments to shell-companies set up to facilitate bribery. But they agreed to let him off with a $50 fine for loitering.   It seems like crown prosecutors didn't want to put him in jail anyway, so what's the point?

Your government consultation brochure notes:
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If the terms of the DPAs are seen as being too lenient, or if DPAs are seen to be applied in what are generally considered to be inappropriate instances, then there is a risk of undermining public confidence in the criminal justice system.
...which is exactly where we're at.

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