I openly apologize to the forum for the length of some of my posts. I am the first to admit they are too long. I am not sure sometimes how to explain certain legal concepts raised without specific reference which gets lengthy. I appreciate they are for some too long, etc. and I am long winded but I just assume some of you just don't read them nor would I expect anyone to read what I write. I get that. . I do not mean to monopolize the forum or this thread just debate vigorously. Thank you. Men in black are at my front door. I must go.