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Offline waldo

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« Reply #615 on: March 05, 2019, 07:55:21 pm »
You prefer the Scheer/Faith Goldy approach do ya?

speaking of the mouse-that-roared, Scheer is really making inroads!  ;D

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« Reply #616 on: March 05, 2019, 08:07:30 pm »
c'mon Boges... if ConMediaMan Coren is questioning... that was the point you clearly missed! TimG, your deep-thinking is too deep to apply to what Coren said!

You've clearly never heard Coren say anything since Sun News went under.

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« Reply #617 on: March 05, 2019, 08:21:35 pm »
speaking of the mouse-that-roared, Scheer is really making inroads!  ;D



Thankfully, Canada is not the USA, and most people tend to vote along party lines. In any case, the Liberals are in trouble:

"A majority of Canadians are keeping tabs on the SNC-Lavalin affair and that doesnít bode well for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, according to a new Ipsos poll conducted exclusively for Global News.

If an election were held tomorrow, Trudeau would receive only 31 per cent of the decided popular vote ó down three points from a couple of weeks ago ó while Conservative Party Leader Andrew Scheer would receive 40 per cent, according to the poll of 1,000 Canadians carried out between March 1 and March 4.

Thatís the biggest lead the Conservatives have had since the previous election campaign ó and thatís despite the fact that the polling data was obtained before Treasury Board President Jane Philpott resigned from Trudeauís cabinet on Monday, following in the heels of former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould and principal secretary Gerald Butts."


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https://globalnews.ca/news/5021267/trudeau-approval-rating-snc-lavalin-wilson-raybould/
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #618 on: March 05, 2019, 08:38:37 pm »
You've clearly never heard Coren say anything since Sun News went under.

you're correct there... are you saying Coren has had an epiphany... is he a changed man now?

as an aside, for the neophyte so excited over a single poll... something like a 4-week rolling average offers additional insight... and, of course, aggregates.
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« Reply #619 on: March 05, 2019, 08:49:40 pm »
You prefer the Scheer/Faith Goldy approach do ya?

Those are my only 2 options?   ::)

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« Reply #620 on: March 05, 2019, 08:51:16 pm »
Those are my only 2 options?   ::)

To win government?  Yes

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« Reply #621 on: March 05, 2019, 08:54:02 pm »
To win government?  Yes

Iíve never voted for either of those parties....   so I guess Iíll continue that trend....
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« Reply #622 on: March 05, 2019, 08:59:11 pm »
Iíve never voted for either of those parties....   so I guess Iíll continue that trend....

Well at least now the leader of the other potential (long shot) party has a seat in the house.

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« Reply #623 on: March 06, 2019, 02:23:02 am »
Scheer and Singh are both weenies, which is Trudeau's biggest asset at this point.  Rona Ambrose was much better than Scheer as opposition leader.  Heck, Raitt is handling this better than Scheer.  Mulcair was much better than Singh as well. At least Singh had the sense to call for a public inquiry rather than going straight to demanding a resignation and calling the RCMP, as Scheer did.  Bad strategy. Reminds me of the episode of "The Office" where Michael Scott is taking an acting improv class, and every scene he acts, he pulls a gun, because "the most dramatic thing that can happen in a scene is, somebody pulls a gun!"   You can't always reach straight for the gun, Scheer, you hapless mook.

CBC now reporting that Trudeau is considering a "statement of contrition" regarding how the SNC situation was handled.

I gather Liberal boosters are hoping that Butt Man will arrive and save the day tomorrow.  We'll see how that goes.


Because I realize that this is normal politics, and it happens all of the time.  Most politicians with their outrage meter not set to full have said as much.  It's not like they were asking for something illegal - that would be different.

Which politicians said that?

One problem with this "it happens all the time" is that people make the same argument for shoplifting or cheating on taxes. Maybe it does happen, but that doesn't actually make it okay and people still get punished if they get caught.

The second problem is that if you are seen to be bending the rules to get SNC-Lavalin out of a jam, why can't you bend the rules for the next person who's stuck in a jam?  Why couldn't they, you know, help Meng Wanzhou? Send her home to China instead of holding her for extradition?  Hey, why not? Better than getting into some kind of trade war or diplomatic dispute over this, right? If we can bend the rules for SNC-Lavalin, why not bend the rules for Meng Wanzhou?  If you tell China that "we're a nation of laws, and we are holding Meng Wanzhou because we have to," and they say "really? What about this SNC stuff? Why can't you help us out like you helped them out?" ...what do you tell them? 


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« Reply #624 on: March 06, 2019, 02:48:07 am »
The second problem is that if you are seen to be bending the rules to get SNC-Lavalin out of a jam, why can't you bend the rules for the next person who's stuck in a jam?

I trust you've recovered from your 'own goal' and now realize just who/what Crown Prosecution is, hey! In any case, have you read the legal assessment on why SNC-Lavalin was not offered a DPA negotiation? Did you read the first legal assessment that intended to offer SNC-Lavalin a DPA negotiation? I'd ask you if you read JWR's legal assessment for not wanting to reconsider that 2nd legal assessment... I'd ask... but, apparently, there's some uncertainty if one actually exists. The point waldo, get to the point! Ya ya, the point is legal assessments are regularly subject to possible change... depending on... . Notwithstanding, as I've stated now several times, that second assessment wasn't binding until an actual related court proceeding commenced.

again, most unfortunate that you still haven't recognized DPAs aren't a, "get out of jail free card"! I heard some nattering ConMedia "contributor" talking up how DPA legislation was only brought in to allow, "deep-pocket contributors" to get off! The Scheer idiocy of the guy!
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #625 on: March 06, 2019, 09:43:31 am »
speaking of the mouse-that-roared, Scheer is really making inroads!  ;D


Oh look, an out-of-context leadership poll. Do you have a poll on voting intentions, perhaps?
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« Reply #626 on: March 06, 2019, 11:28:29 am »
From what I've heard so far from Butts, I'm thinking the discrepancies between his version of events and that of JWR should require her (and a few others) to be called back in for further testimony. 
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #627 on: March 06, 2019, 11:56:14 am »
From what I've heard so far from Butts, I'm thinking the discrepancies between his version of events and that of JWR should require her (and a few others) to be called back in for further testimony.

The Liberals in the committee want the Liberals to have the last word, seems they won't allow her back, because they believe so strongly in ethics and justice  ::)

Now it's a he-said she-said.  We need all the emails/texts etc.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #628 on: March 06, 2019, 12:08:29 pm »
Oh look, an out-of-context leadership poll

no more out-of-context than any other poll asking participants to name their preferred Prime Minister
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #629 on: March 06, 2019, 12:19:05 pm »
The Liberals in the committee want the Liberals to have the last word, seems they won't allow her back, because they believe so strongly in ethics and justice  ::)

Now it's a he-said she-said.  We need all the emails/texts etc.

JWR was afforded 4 full hours to present 'Jody's truth'. The Opposition Parties, by design, are hell-bent on dragging this out, full force... striving for any opportunity to directly pit ruling government members against each other... relishing any opportunity for personalized accusation and charges of lying - well beyond your trivialized, "she said/they said".

the waldo has clearly, many times over, highlighted the crux of the failing "Jody's truth". As so rightly articulated by Mr. Butts, why did she not come forward and give formal notice/resign in September... in October... in November... in December? Why did "Jody's truth" only come out... after the Cabinet shuffle?