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« Reply #315 on: February 27, 2019, 06:55:07 pm »
Question period is going to be good tomorrow
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« Reply #316 on: February 27, 2019, 07:20:53 pm »
It's impressive that Canada still has healthy political system where even with the tyranny of majority government they can root out even the slightest hint of corruption and make people account for it.
Compare that to down south where it would just become a crazy partisan nightmare with people denying reality and blaming the media and nobody being held to account for anything. Even things way worse than making sure an Attorney General is well aware of the damage her decisions could precipitate.
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« Reply #317 on: February 27, 2019, 07:28:46 pm »
Justin is now doubling down on his denials in a press conference.  While flanked with a whole bunch of minorities like black women, black men, other people of colour...and a couple of white men/women.  I guess he doesn't want us to make this look like white guy vs indigenous woman.

Well, now it's a matter of who do we believe?
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« Reply #318 on: February 27, 2019, 07:45:19 pm »
There's a grey area between providing information and applying pressure, and where you personally consider the line of inappropriate behaviour is crossed. Some would think there should be no discussion between the AG and her colleagues regarding a decision; others might think it's their job to make sure the AG is fully aware of the potential ramifications of every decision before it's made. It seems JWR is among the former and much of the rest of the party is in the latter group.
So it's not so much a matter of believing one and not the other. It's just where you draw that line.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #319 on: February 27, 2019, 07:55:53 pm »
Saving jobs in Quebec > Prosecuting a Corrupt company.
Just goes to show, Liberal or Tory, same old story.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #320 on: February 27, 2019, 08:03:55 pm »
Question period is going to be good tomorrow

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #321 on: February 27, 2019, 08:13:25 pm »
There's a grey area between providing information and applying pressure, and where you personally consider the line of inappropriate behaviour is crossed. Some would think there should be no discussion between the AG and her colleagues regarding a decision; others might think it's their job to make sure the AG is fully aware of the potential ramifications of every decision before it's made. It seems JWR is among the former and much of the rest of the party is in the latter group.
So it's not so much a matter of believing one and not the other. It's just where you draw that line.

"It's your decision but", is applying pressure, particularly when it is coming from your boss or his flunkies.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #322 on: February 27, 2019, 08:16:16 pm »
"It's your decision but", is applying pressure, particularly when it is coming from your boss or his flunkies.


Maybe, but the question of whether or not that's appropriate is far less clear.  The entire cabinet serves at the pleasure of the Crown, wielded by the PM - he had every right to replace her for any reason.

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« Reply #323 on: February 27, 2019, 08:20:10 pm »
"It's your decision but", is applying pressure, particularly when it is coming from your boss or his flunkies.
Is it? It sounds to me more like you're reinforcing the fact it's her decision and making sure that's clear.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #324 on: February 27, 2019, 08:47:07 pm »
Justin is now doubling down on his denials in a press conference.  While flanked with a whole bunch of minorities like black women, black men, other people of colour...and a couple of white men/women.  I guess he doesn't want us to make this look like white guy vs indigenous woman.

Well, now it's a matter of who do we believe?

Trudeau is the greatest flake PM Canada has ever had.  Even more so than Kim Campbell.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #325 on: February 27, 2019, 09:11:47 pm »

Maybe, but the question of whether or not that's appropriate is far less clear.  The entire cabinet serves at the pleasure of the Crown, wielded by the PM - he had every right to replace her for any reason.

I donít think itís unclear....

Section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act spells it out quite clearly...

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9 No public office holder shall use his or her position as a public office holder to seek to influence a decision of another person so as to further the public office holderís private interests or those of the public office holderís relatives or friends or to improperly further another personís private interests.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #326 on: February 27, 2019, 09:34:43 pm »
Trudeau is the greatest flake PM Canada has ever had.  Even more so than Kim Campbell.

Yeah, no.  He wasn't up to the job.  They oversold him on image and moral superiority.  Things like.. oh... the economy didn't work out so well for him.  And NAFTA.  And China.  These would be tough for any PM but he just wasn't ready.

But this... it's pretty weird how she reacted to this.  Maybe she really hated his guts.

For a laugh - check out August1991's question on MLW: "Will she be the next PM ?"

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« Reply #327 on: February 27, 2019, 10:07:24 pm »
It's impressive that Canada still has healthy political system where even with the tyranny of majority government they can root out even the slightest hint of corruption and make people account for it.

I wouldn't go that far.  Who knows how often this kind of stuff happens.  I think they just messed with the wrong person in JWR.  She's very tough, and very smart, seems ethical, and she's a good enough lawyer to be attorney general & justice minister.

But i agree it's good this stuff comes to light, even if it was through an anonymous source in the media.  Globe & Mail is the best news outlet in the country and has been for awhile, also quite nonpartisan, the leakers knew what they were doing.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #328 on: February 27, 2019, 10:11:56 pm »
Just goes to show, Liberal or Tory, same old story.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

If we want to prevent these things, there needs to be something put in place in the system to catch it. Transparency, oversight.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #329 on: February 27, 2019, 10:31:31 pm »
But this... it's pretty weird how she reacted to this.  Maybe she really hated his guts.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

The toughest and most impressive lawyers i've seen have been women.  Maybe the 50% female cabinet thing came back to bite him, him & Butts couldn't control the the toughest of them like they wanted.
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