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« Reply #1875 on: December 29, 2019, 01:11:39 am »
This result demonstrates that the prosecutors and the company could have come to an equitable result without the blatantly unethical political interference from Trudeau and Butts and their little helpers in the PMO.

as I said, pure speculation pulled out of your azz! If you're not speculating, surely you can state why a plea-bargain agreement was struck... you can state why the PPSC reversed itself and stayed all but one of the many charges it had brought against SNC-L. It's heeelarious to read you attempting to leverage the result (plea bargain) outcome for your self-serving agenda...

in any case, the problem with your revisionism is the waldo won't let it stand. Your "ethics" tag is simply you showcasing, once again, how willing you are to blindly accept St. Jody's "truth"... notwithstanding the numerous ethical breaches that JWR actually made - as in, for example, refusing to appear before the Senate Committee, refusing to properly allow information flow between departments, refusing to provide information to the Privy Clerk (hence cabinet)... and, of course, blatantly recording the Privy Clerk without his knowledge! St. Jody indeed  ;D

by the by:

guys, guys - hot off the presses... polished for your viewing pleasure! You're welcome.


bring it - lets hear more of the "Lock him up, Lock him up" chants! It's a shame only one of the meanSistas is still around... and as an independent, JWR will certainly be able to accomplish a lot use "her truth for her peeps"!  ;D

by the by: Canada’s ethics watchdog may have misinterpreted a key SNC-Lavalin conversation

and..... how about that most vocal critic/"journalist" Ibbitson - who now states he, "got it wrong concerning Wernick" - hey!

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« Reply #1876 on: December 29, 2019, 01:35:28 am »
as the ever astute waldo surmised, the prosecution did not want to take this to trial... the fact they dropped (stayed) the majority of charges (including Corruption) is a testimony to just how weak their case MUST HAVE BEEN! Of course it was the ALLEGED corruption that was believed to be behind the PPSC decision not to offer a DPA. And now... that alleged corruption charge was stayed! Wassup with that, hey member kimmy!  ;D
Hey, if the prosecution's case was so weak, why did SNC make a plea bargain at all? Why shell out $280 million if the prosecution had no case?  Why did SNC-Lavalin go to such lengths to get a DPA if the prosecution had no case? Is SNC-Lavalin's legal counsel so incompetent that they caused their employer to waste $280 million  on a case they would have won in court? I can only imagine how deeply SNC-Lavalin regrets that they didn't hire you as their legal advisor, rather than whichever incompetent goofs they hired to get this plea agreement done.

Of course, as the ever-astute waldo presumes to know the Director of Prosecution's job better than she does, presumes to know the Ethics Commissioner's job better than he does, it should be no surprise that the ever-astute waldo also believes he knows SNC-Lavalin's lawyer's job better than they do.

let the waldo school you a tad: on a general basis one of the key reasons DPAs are a chosen route to deal with corporate malfeasance (fraud, corruption) is that the corporation defendant, by DPA agreement terms, agrees to bring corroborating evidence forward... evidence that, typically, may not be available otherwise. I look forward to you bringing forward statements/analysis from ANYONE suggesting PPSC had a "slam dunk" case against SNC-L... ANYONE, hey member kimmy - ANYONE!

you seem to speak as if SNC-L was the driver in this plea bargain!  ;D ... you tell me why all charges, save the one, were stayed by the prosecution. Apparently, to member kimmy, PPSC stayed all those charges... cause its case was just too strong in proving them! The only, as you say, incompetent goof here is YOU.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1877 on: December 29, 2019, 01:52:06 am »
in your fantasy world, your stated, "disgusting criminal corporation" wording, is probably the most telling words you've used here. Protip: your kimmy's cubicle world job doesn't lend itself to recognize/appreciate just what an international corporation of the likes of SNC-Lavalin is about... the many, many divisions that makeup the company, the thousands of world-wide employees bringing leading products/solutions/services forward. In this particular hyped example with Libya, there were a handful of rogue execs (bad men, very bad men) who can't be excused for their crimes... but shouldn't be used as a representation of the company proper. If you'd like a replay, the waldo can quote prior posts that showed the significant internal measures the company took towards changing its processes to ensure, for example, more complete transparency between divisions and executive levels.
As we've observed a revolving door of executives go from the corner offices of SNC Lavalin to the courtrooms, it becomes clear that this wasn't "a few rogue executives", it was a rogue culture. Testimony in these trials revealed a corporation that was willing to turn a blind eye to these "rogue executives" and their doings.

its a big company... many, many divisions... world-wide conglomerate, you know! A tad bigger than your widget making cubicle world!  ;D As the waldo stated, there were a few bad men, very bad men! If you can stay focused here, the "Libyan affair" was early 2000s... that is to say the majority of the bribe amounts occurred then. Point in fact is it was SNC-L that brought forward notice of monetary "irregularities" in 2009 and took steps to mitigate further impacts. In any case, the key BadMan left the company in 2006. Again, your revisionism only acts to heighten your disinformation campaign and what should be your attached embarrassment.

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« Reply #1878 on: December 29, 2019, 02:05:55 am »
c'mon member kimmy - admit the plea agreement reached results in like... no less... than what an offered DPA would have secured? St. Jody's truth can't help you here!
The kimmo reminds the waldo that the degree of punishment that SNC deserved was never the real scandal here, rather the PMO's unethical efforts to interfere in public prosecution to get a politically advantageous result.  Trying to justify the PMO's actions in terms of the eventual plea deal SNC accepted is just more of your galloping-goalposts shenanigans, and not many here are dumb enough to fall for that stuff.

there was no, as you say, "real scandal" here. It was manufactured by Scheer/CPC and driven by an obliging ConMedia! You really want to hang your ethics hat on that failed Dion ruling/report... notwithstanding your zeal in accepting St. Jody's "truth"... while ignoring the real lapses in ethics from JWR! Of course you do!

I'm shocked you want to ignore the plea bargain result and how its, effectively, less impacting than what a DPA could have realized. Let's not forget to emphasize that as a part of the plea bargain agreement, SNC-L will not be prevented from contract bidding... you know, supposedly the big carrot a DPA was presumed to secure!  ;D

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« Reply #1879 on: December 29, 2019, 02:19:57 am »
The ongoing character assassination by Liberals against one of their own colleagues only started when the G&M story came to light, which is telling.  Funny that we never heard any talk about how "incompetent" she was during the 3 years she remained in that position, even as other Cabinet colleagues were shuffled around.

the waldo can replay those failures for you... if you'd like. She never had the qualifications for the job in the first place - many legal experts have stated as much. She was simply a gender assignment; one that also happened to include indigenous attachment. This is nothing new! The waldo has stated many times this was not an appropriate selection. Those glaring failures are a testimony to just that - and as I said, watching JWR implode over the office-space fiasco was gold, real gold! Perhaps member kimmy would like to put some spin around this, hey? Wait, let the waldo help you here:
oh my! The entitledOne, St. Jody... spreading more of her "truth"!

New Speaker says he'll evict Wilson-Raybould if she doesn't leave willingly
just makin' a land claim... one play of the 'I' card... one smudge at a time!

and then we have indigenous journalist, Niigaan Sinclair, talking up the "marginalization of indigenous woman and the symbolism of removing JWR from territory"!

I can't imagine why you think a squabble over seating arrangements vindicates the PMO's unethical behavior either.

no - again, a failed Dion ruling/report... by the by, for all the ethicsWringing you're butt-clenching on, no crimes were committed... why even St. Jody said so!

the office-space dustup highlighted the presumed entitlement JWR believes she has! A perfect bookend piece to the failings and resultant outcome JWR now faces - a reality gut check for her. But then, she can hang in for a few years and realize that golden pension, hey! Cause... what else is left for her now as the cast-off independent truth teller!  ;D

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« Reply #1880 on: December 29, 2019, 08:38:50 am »
Five consecutive posts. kimmy sure put a burr up old waldo’s ass. Hilarious. :D
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« Reply #1881 on: December 29, 2019, 11:10:56 am »
Five consecutive posts. kimmy sure put a burr up old waldo’s ass. Hilarious. :D

wilberMath!  ;D cause one looooong member kimmy post certainly doesn't equate to multiple point-separated replies! Considering you were one of the most consistent... persistent advocates for the CPC/ConMedia driving St. Jody's "truth", the waldo is shocked that after you dropped a brazillion posts in this thread, all you could muster was the following - talk about heeeelarious!

So the same PPSC that said SNC didn't meet the criteria for a DPA, all of a sudden settles for one. Wonder how that happened.

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« Reply #1882 on: December 29, 2019, 06:37:10 pm »
wilberMath!  ;D cause one looooong member kimmy post certainly doesn't equate to multiple point-separated replies! Considering you were one of the most consistent... persistent advocates for the CPC/ConMedia driving St. Jody's "truth", the waldo is shocked that after you dropped a brazillion posts in this thread, all you could muster was the following - talk about heeeelarious!

Never dropped five in a row on any topic.  Maybe kimmy can give some tips on how to do it in one post. Too funny..
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« Reply #1883 on: January 01, 2020, 12:41:49 pm »
having endured yet another round of wilberMath, thanks to those who reached out to me with words of encouragement. And yes member Hardner, member wilber is a real thread killer, as he endevours to stifle free-speech/expression... such is his way; the way of today's autocratConservative!

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« Reply #1884 on: January 01, 2020, 04:32:27 pm »
having endured yet another round of wilberMath, thanks to those who reached out to me with words of encouragement. And yes member Hardner, member wilber is a real thread killer, as he endevours to stifle free-speech/expression... such is his way; the way of today's autocratConservative!

Wasa matter waldo, is the king of ridicule a little sensitive.
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« Reply #1885 on: January 03, 2020, 10:57:18 am »
sensitive... to your continued dumbazzery! Besides


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« Reply #1886 on: January 03, 2020, 06:49:51 pm »
Yup, very sensitive.
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« Reply #1887 on: January 04, 2020, 01:18:52 am »
c'mon member wilber, just apply more butthurt creme and you'll be fine!

now that the dust-up over JWR's perceived office-space entitlement has been resolved... and St. Jody has moved into her new digs!  ;D


by the by member wilber, considering the Director of PPSC initially cited her principal reason for not offering a DPA to SNC-L was due to, 'the “nature and gravity” of SNC-Lavalin‘s alleged corruption in Libya', what the hey happened with PPSC settling the case with a plea-bargain agreement that secured less than what a DPA... could have... realized? What the hey member wilber, what the hey!

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1888 on: January 05, 2020, 09:55:19 pm »
having endured yet another round of wilberMath, thanks to those who reached out to me with words of encouragement.

Public support for the waldo has been remarkably silent, but I am sure that behind the scenes the waldo is receiving a deluge of well-wishes from supporters! Supporters who are no doubt afraid of voicing their opinions publicly for fear of retaliations and repercussions... such as having their posts marked "Dumb" by The Squid!  ;D ;D  ;D

And yes member Hardner, member wilber is a real thread killer, as he endevours to stifle free-speech/expression... such is his way; the way of today's autocratConservative!

The real threadkiller is your "wall-o-waldo" style of writing-- a Gish Gallop of semi-literate drivel intended to bore your opponents into submission!  Sifting through your mountain of blather in search of a point is as tedious and futile as sifting through cat-litter in search of a gold nugget.  And you get the same kind of "nugget" from sifting through cat-litter that you get from waldo posts.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1889 on: January 05, 2020, 10:25:52 pm »
The real threadkiller is your "wall-o-waldo" style of writing-- a Gish Gallop of semi-literate drivel intended to bore your opponents into submission!  Sifting through your mountain of blather in search of a point is as tedious and futile as sifting through cat-litter in search of a gold nugget.  And you get the same kind of "nugget" from sifting through cat-litter that you get from waldo posts.

c'mon - not that the waldo was counting but... wilberMath is hard! You pulled items from (at least) 3 of my posts and replied to them all within a single post. The ever conscientious & considerate waldo opted to pull your longish single post reply apart, rather than create something megaTooLong! The challenged member wilber, still suffering butthurt from yet another waldoWhoopin', sprang forward to whine/complain about the, count em... 5 single topic posts that I made in reply to your longish single post, itself your collective reply of, again (at least) 3 of my posts.

again, I'm quite enjoying seeing you unable to actually reply to the thread topic at hand... the latest plea-bargained "DPA-like" backpedal/retreat by PPSC. Reading you deflect and distract with your "wall-o-whine" is almost as sweet as seeing just where St. Jody has landed. You and she being truthTellinSista's, ya know!